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welcome back to calling all beings baby

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on a Wednesday night I'm your host DJ

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along with this incredible group of

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co-hosts that I am blessed to be

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accompanied by the co-creator executive

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producer co-conspirator technical he's

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got every he's got it basically got all

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the damn titles money Nathan what's up

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brother man happy Wednesday right it is

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uh like the coldest May Wednesday of my

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life out there I don't know what's going

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on where you are but here it's uh crazy

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windy and cold and I don't like it but I

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like being here where it's warm by the

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fire looking forward to the fireside

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chat tonight

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Nathan's gonna light the fire here a

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little bit Our Guest is gonna see that

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but before we do that let's say hello to

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the lovely the centering cam of this

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podcast she is a professional in mental

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health she is the host of Deb's day and

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a JoJo she is an OG of cab put your

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hands together for Debs a study of uaps

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hi I'm just happy to be with such

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positive people here today yay

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can I get it amen you know what man

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whenever we get together it only happens

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once a week once every 10 days and it's

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a beautiful thing but now Nathan yes sir

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you know we love to go outside the

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bubble we don't like uh Logan's Run you

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know they're in that bubble and then all

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of a sudden he's he's he and that young

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lady Jessica they escaped to the outside

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you know what I saw what the world

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looked like that's what we're reaching

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outside the UFO bubble tonight love that

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all right our guest Our Guest is the

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host of a totally dope podcast because

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she's a totally dope person and once I

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heard that podcast I just wanted to have

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this individual on her her podcast is

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called Meredith for real so wipe the

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Cheeto dust off your fingers get that

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orange off there and put those hands

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together for the part-time model the

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full-time curiosity Miss Meredith

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somebody

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[Applause]

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wow

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man for Meredith I'm gonna make all of

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that my alarm in the morning that'll get

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you up

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I've been doing it for two years it's

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I have you on you have like a pretty big

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deal podcast I heard you talk UFOs I

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don't even know whose show it was on I

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don't know if it was on your show and I

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was like man why don't we bring someone

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out from outside this crazy Community

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this UFO Community this bubble and and

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bring them on and see what they think

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and since you're curious man this was a

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perfect fit so thank you so much welcome

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well thank you for having me yeah and

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I'm I'm outside the community but I'm

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like on the fence kind of looking over

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I've been interested yeah that's the

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fence right there with your hands it's

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like Puppy Paws but different

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um yeah so it's an honor I've been

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interested in uh UFOs since I was little

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it was like Betty and Barney Hill for

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some reason which is really odd because

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I was like seven in a town in an

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all-white town of 4 000 people and yet

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somehow with no internet like 1980

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Something I'm interested in a biracial

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couple who was abducted by aliens and

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on it later in life but that's how it

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cast of characters in ufology that I do

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find it hard to keep up so I would

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consider myself for that reason an

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outsider yeah it's uh it's a lot to

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juggle and uh you know they're making a

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documentary out of that entire

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uh Betty and Barney Hill uh story in

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fact the Obamas are behind the

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production effort of that really oh yeah

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I I didn't know that that is awesome

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yeah right and before I even get into my

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ridiculous let me turn you over to the

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capable hands of my co-conspirator in

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welcoming fun entertaining and

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interesting talk about the phenomenon

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money Nathan thanks DJ so Meredith yeah

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great to have you with us uh I've been

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able to kind of watch some of your shows

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and really enjoyed your content I mean

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your your range is incredible so I don't

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know how you do it but it's really

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impressive all the different topics that

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you cover and you you you put your guess

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at ease your conversational style your

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question style is really incredible and

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I wanted to ask you you know as someone

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who doesn't seem to be afraid to have

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kind of weird conversations with people

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uh strain talking about strange things

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for things that make people

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uncomfortable what has that taught you

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about the human condition when you when

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you can get into that stuff with

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somebody yeah it's really taught me that

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if you have the right questions you can

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unlock a lot of interesting stuff I call

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it the Treasure of humanity it's really

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in the Nuance because what we see what's

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obvious and what I call the algorithm

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which is just we know what the internet

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algorithm is of course but I think in

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our human nature we have our own you

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know self-imposed algorithm of habits

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that we do rituals and just being

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attracted to the people who are similar

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to us whether that's in belief or their

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you know physical characteristics are

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similar similar

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um finding the Nuance in between all of

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that obvious stuff is like really what

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makes Humanity interesting and

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um I I've noticed over the years that

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people just seem to be losing their

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ability to engage with curiosity or to

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lead with curiosity instead they tend to

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lead with canceling and so the purpose

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of my show is to just show the reward

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that's waiting for you when you decide

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to leave with curiosity instead and

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sometimes it leads you to weird places

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but it's never boring no I love that and

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what's it like for you like at Family

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Thanksgiving because we've all got that

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family member that you don't really want

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to have a conversation with but you get

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into it with them and you just kind of

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go through the motions but I feel like

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you go beyond that you probably get into

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it with them in a deeper level or I

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imagine some magic happens there what's

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what's that like for you oh my dad he

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likes to like mention people and he's

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like have you interviewed them you've

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interviewed them haven't you which is so

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sweet I'm like no dad not yet he's like

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okay like we'll be watching something

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um like uh you know that haunted Saginaw

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series it's like did you you interview

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that guy no dad not not yet thank you

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she's also an appreciator of meaningful

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conversation so at our Thanksgiving

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gathering this past Thanksgiving I think

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uh like what like death we talked about

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you know death rituals and what we

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wanted to do when we died we talked

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about uh Roe versus Wade we like we got

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social media post about it because it

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well let me ask one more question that I

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passed off to death so that energizes

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you which is interesting because I I

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understand you're an introvert my wife's

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an introvert so in those situations when

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there's lots of people around and you're

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having lots of conversation that can be

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kind of draining for some people but it

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sounds like that's really you know

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obviously and you're into this subject

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matter kind of curious we're talking

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lots of different people that seems to

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give you life that's really interesting

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because people always think it's a

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synonym for being awkward and

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um so when you tell people oh I'm an

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introvert and they go no no don't don't

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be so hard on yourself I'm like sit down

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and say that that's not what I'm saying

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I'm a pity on you yeah yeah right I pity

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the fool

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um no it's way more about like uh the

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quality of interactions and and usually

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those one-on-one conversations if

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they're meaningful are really nice even

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if you disagree if the conversation has

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that very lovely like Foundation of

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curiosity and respect you can have a

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conversation with anybody the problem is

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a lot of people are doing don't practice

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that and so when they do and we have

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these really amazing conversations I

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just find it super life-giving love that

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before I give it to Jessica with those

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opening remarks I feel like uh would you

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you know what's interesting is a lot of

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um so my podcast category is social

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um which is kind of like a cousin to

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society and culture and when I look at

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in the Apple podcast categories for

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shows in that category it is like 70

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percent

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UFO paranormal stuff wow so I think I

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think we're cousins and we just don't

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know it so I think a lot of my audience

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even though I've only done like eight

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episodes that might fall into that

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category out of 185 or whatever but uh I

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think my audience is interested in stuff

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like this as am I

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nice awesome we're on the we're on the

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um Deb uh go ahead ma'am okay so first

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of all believe it or not I am also an

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introvert so I can feel that like I'm

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also like there are too many people I

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just need one person in front of me and

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I'll be good

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um so I was gonna say that

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um since you are curious and it seems

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like you're covering a lot of topics

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what do you feel most intrigued by

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that's what I would like to know what

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what really is something you just can't

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get let go of and want to know

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everything about okay you guys are gonna

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this is kind of it's weird obviously

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that's not surprising I guess okay there

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is this other than my hair stylist right

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other than that there's this one subject

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and this one guest that I want for this

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one subject and I cannot let it go

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normally I'm like I'll try like maybe

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four times and then if you don't reply

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to any of my requests like I move on

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with my life because I don't want

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stalking you know cease and desist

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letters yeah

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but I want to do an episode about fecal

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matter transplant fmt

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and I want to do

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I want to do it with

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um with this one doctor in the Northeast

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because uh it's like called the biome

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Center I think and the doctor's name is

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escaping me right now but I I have like

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he followed me on it on Twitter

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like he only follows like a few people

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and he he followed me back and I'm

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thinking oh sweet this will be easy so I

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sent him a DM nothing and he is the best

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presenter of the information and I love

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guests who have actionable resources for

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my listeners right so I don't

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necessarily just want a researcher of

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fmt I want the CEO of the donation

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center for FMP

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incredible I mean I hope you get to the

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I knew I should have brought up my

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ferrago where I could have that drum

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thing uh that was awesome Dr duty if you

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need help I I certainly will will gang

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up and say look you need to interview

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with Meredith Edwards come on don't be

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incredible I've heard amazing things

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about that uh just uh entire biome

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Transformations from people who've had

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that procedure Yeah well yeah maybe I

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should get maybe my hair would grow back

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you never know everything I asked people

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who are in touch with the phenomenon is

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there anything but thus far I've been

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striking out

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um Meredith if you would since our

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audience uh isn't familiar with you

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could you talk a little bit about how

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you've come to this place

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um that you're in uh as as a interviewer

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and and curiositor uh part-time model

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you know Mom all this kind of stuff I'm

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not a mom except for plants and I do

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have over 100 plants so wow yes so

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that's definitely a thing so I you know

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when I'm not podcasting I'm definitely

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buying plants I don't need

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um

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jobs I was the kid that was you know you

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asked them what do you want to be when

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you grew up and there was seven answers

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and I never grew out of that and that

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turns out to mean you should be an actor

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as it were and so

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um because that's the only other people

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that I've met that are like still like

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that they don't outgrow it but I was a

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sign language interpreter and I was an

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admin assistant and

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um a uh an American Sales director and

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that was the the longest thing I've done

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it was about 17 years and it was through

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those sales interactions like they're

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not what you think of when you think of

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sales like it's very much a high level

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interpersonal communication when you're

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at like a directorate level usually

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there's some goobers but like usually

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it's it's high level and I found that as

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I felt that season coming to an end I

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started to listen to podcasts and I love

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to interview podcasts and I was like

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wait a minute this is very similar to

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what I do in my sales position when I go

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into a woman's house and talk with her

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at her kitchen table about her skin and

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her like eye makeup and stuff and uh

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because really when you think about it

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it's anthropology and I love

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anthropology I love like oh wow I can

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tell by your kitchen that X Y and Z is

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important to you tell me about that and

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and it just was so cool to me it was the

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most energizing part of really that that

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position and so uh after I had that

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thought about a week later my husband

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came home and said hey uh you'd be a

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good podcaster and I was like whoo

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that's very random and weird and then

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about a week after that Pensacola

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Florida where you know we live uh had a

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free lunch and learn called principles

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of podcasting and I was like all right I

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got it I guess I'm going to that and so

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I went I found people who do did Tech

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and I started the show and um and then

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that you know turned into this show

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which the purpose has always been to

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inspire curiosity the subject matter has

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evolved over time and currently it's

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kind of split into two half of the

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episodes are with people who are a

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paradox they shouldn't exist and yet

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they do like the atheist daughter doctor

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who studied near-death experiences for

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50 years Dr Bruce Grayson

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um I really highly recommend his book by

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the way it was amazing and then the

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other half are questions that people

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think in private but don't ever say out

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loud it kind of that kind of goes along

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with the introvert things so things that

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are like

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taboo because of

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um like cultural hypnosis or just you

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know because they're taboo like why do

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we in America practice secular

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circumcision when the rest of the

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secular world doesn't so stuff that like

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nobody really

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but we do

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well um you boldly go and I like that

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yeah yeah yeah and so and then um that

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has also turned into me being a

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podcaster For Hire so that's how I make

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money podcasting so of larger companies

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who want to add podcasting to their

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brand will hire me to produce and

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sometimes host their show so I'm the

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host and producer of Escambia County

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Public Schools podcast called voices

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United education yeah it's amazing

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man I do a podcast for my high school

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back in New York and I don't make a time

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but it is extremely rewarding to bring

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the stories of my hometown to other you

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know to others in my hometown and just

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you know talk about our the way we uh

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sort of like that area that that we were

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brought up in so that that'll just kind

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of like this it's just so fulfilling to

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do this but it is great that uh people

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have decided that they want to hire you

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to to represent them that's like totally

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awesome uh money Nathan yeah and so

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welcome to a UFO podcast I don't know if

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this is the first UFO podcast that

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you've been on maybe uh so so welcome

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we're honored to have you with us and uh

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of course we talk about a lot of things

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here a lot of strange things and I'd

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like to know from someone that uh is

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sort of on the outside like you said

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sitting at the fence looking in uh

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what's an area of the UFO world that you

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want to know more about or

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maybe you just don't understand

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that you want to kind of kick kick off

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for us oh okay well first of all I have

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to say that your show is really good

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because I have listened to a lot of UFO

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shows in researching for the other few

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app you know guests that I've had on my

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show that are related subject matter

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wise and they're all

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this this is by far

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the top is The toppest it's I'm making

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up a word that's how good it is

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yeah like curiosity it's made up yeah

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um but it's really really good

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um I think yeah

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um I think what I am

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having a mental conundrum about right

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now

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is the intersection of

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ufology

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and religion

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and yeah and here's why

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and because I'm reading Chris bledsoe's

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book

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um God of God UFO God oh God yeah oh God

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yeah of God

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um

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which grammatically I don't understand

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that but nobody does the book is really

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good it's very a very good read and it's

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just insane like his story and like I

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can track with UFO stuff but then

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when he for example when he talks about

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like

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and then they're shadow people and then

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they're like I have a hard time tracking

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with all of that and I understand

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that there are people who feel like

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somehow all of these things are

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connected

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um but that is like the area of all of

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this that I am the most on the outside

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of

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love it you're in you're in luck uh

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because we just so hap happen to have

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someone who's really

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um who's done some significantly deep

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academic Dives actually both because

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Deb's a researcher who uh is counselor

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Nathan uh has done his own research and

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he also has a masters in religion so

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take it away money Nathan whoa yeah yeah

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so all right so I went to Seminary uh

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and and uh got a summary degree

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um and was a Christian minister for a

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very brief period of time my life uh

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while I was in seminary I grew up but I

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grew up as a pastor's kid so I mean I I

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was born into it PK in the house in the

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house watch out

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um yeah so that was kind of my my world

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um

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going up into early adulthood and uh

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the Seminary experience for me just

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totally jaded me to religion like just

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uh and it wasn't that I was like um I

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had some peers that went into that

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experience who were conservative and it

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was a liberal school and they were

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completely shattered and came out just

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you know all turned around and whatnot I

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came into it being a liberal Christian

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and came out of it in a similar position

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just not really feeling that it meant

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anything to me anymore

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um so I kind of gave all that up for

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a pretty long time being agnostic

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atheist for I don't know almost two

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decades so the UFO topic interestingly

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enough has like

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re-spiritualized the world for me uh

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because there is this aspect to the UFO

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experience that you can map onto

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religious experience uh it is um

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you know it people who have experienced

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blood so it's a great example you know

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this sort of occurs to them

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out of nowhere you know they're not

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they're not somebody that you would

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expect an experience to happen to it's

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uh it's Indescribable uh the best they

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can do is sort of try to contextualize

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it with something that they know with

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Chris Bledsoe who's very religious like

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the context of what he knows is the

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Bible and angels and you know God and

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these Supernatural powers and all these

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kinds of things so so it makes sense

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that he would take that

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context and map it onto his UFO

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experience

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but it goes further than that right so

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it's not just okay

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well he's uh he's they're not really

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Angels but he thinks that they're Angels

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if we live we look at the Bible or look

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at other religious texts and kind of

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read that with fresh eyes and to be

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frank with you like it took me a long

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time being out of the church

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to start seeing the church as like an

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alien place

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um and and think about what is said at

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church in the same way that someone

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might think about when they hear people

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talk about UFOs like I think if you grow

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up in the South or you grew up in the

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religious United States where there's

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parts of the United States like

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Christianity is just a part of our

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cultural Fabric and so we've normalized

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it in a way that it's uh it almost we

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just don't pay attention to it quite as

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much as we as we might pay attention to

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uh I don't know a cult type of belief or

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something

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but when you when you have distance from

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it it stands out like a sore thumb

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so looking at this old stuff you know

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with this fresh perspective you know oh

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what's happening here in the Bible

547
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:50,520
What's Happening Here in the Quran

548
00:22:54,890 --> 00:22:53,039
What's Happening Here In The Vedic texts

549
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:54,900
where we're talking about experiences

550
00:23:00,649 --> 00:22:58,080
that are transformative and almost uh

551
00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:00,659
you know out of body Etc then you

552
00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:02,460
realize well wait a minute maybe this

553
00:23:08,029 --> 00:23:05,100
phenomena whatever it is has been a part

554
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:08,039
of the human story from from day one and

555
00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:11,039
it's influencing Us in ways that we are

556
00:23:16,690 --> 00:23:12,900
only now kind of starting to Grapple

557
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:20,870
no that's that's fantastic I I'm really

558
00:23:25,549 --> 00:23:24,720
interested in in this stuff because

559
00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:25,559
um

560
00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:28,260
it just seems like something that I'd

561
00:23:34,730 --> 00:23:31,919
always thought as two separate things

562
00:23:36,350 --> 00:23:34,740
um and then now myself not being in the

563
00:23:37,250 --> 00:23:36,360
church

564
00:23:41,570 --> 00:23:37,260
um

565
00:23:44,990 --> 00:23:41,580
but still having a belief in spirit like

566
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:45,000
in uh not just like the great spirit in

567
00:23:50,029 --> 00:23:46,620
the sky but like

568
00:23:54,770 --> 00:23:50,039
humans we are spirits you know

569
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:54,780
um and really like I I believe in

570
00:24:00,409 --> 00:23:57,600
um you know like evil spirit like don't

571
00:24:06,350 --> 00:24:00,419
[\h__\h] with Spirits you know like and so

572
00:24:09,289 --> 00:24:06,360
like to to read Chris's uh book and to

573
00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:09,299
see his accounts of especially like

574
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:11,220
shadow people to me like Shadow People

575
00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:14,400
okay that's definitely a bad deal you

576
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,980
know don't don't touch the shadow people

577
00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:19,200
but because he has all these really

578
00:24:25,789 --> 00:24:22,679
beautiful experiences how like the alien

579
00:24:29,570 --> 00:24:25,799
beings cured his Crohn's disease and all

580
00:24:32,510 --> 00:24:29,580
of stuff and then he's got really scary

581
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,520
things that happen to him too so I'm

582
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,760
curious what y'all's take is on the you

583
00:24:40,010 --> 00:24:38,159
know that part of it like maybe it's

584
00:24:42,289 --> 00:24:40,020
outside or maybe it's adjacent to

585
00:24:45,470 --> 00:24:42,299
religion but the part of basically

586
00:24:48,350 --> 00:24:45,480
ghosts and spirits hauntings and

587
00:24:52,010 --> 00:24:48,360
you know that sort of thing Poltergeist

588
00:24:52,970 --> 00:24:52,020
and UFO stuff yeah great question we can

589
00:24:55,130 --> 00:24:52,980
go a lot of different directions with

590
00:24:58,250 --> 00:24:55,140
that I want to make sure Deb gets a

591
00:25:00,850 --> 00:24:58,260
chance to answer first I wrote down like

592
00:25:05,270 --> 00:25:00,860
15 things about this

593
00:25:07,190 --> 00:25:05,280
so go for it okay so the first things

594
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,200
to be aware of is that you're not the

595
00:25:11,390 --> 00:25:09,120
only one who's trying to figure out the

596
00:25:13,010 --> 00:25:11,400
intersection NASA spent like a million

597
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:13,020
dollars getting a whole bunch of

598
00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:15,000
religious figures together to talk about

599
00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:17,580
this which is really interesting there's

600
00:25:22,010 --> 00:25:19,860
also supposedly this like

601
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:22,020
like group of people who are very

602
00:25:26,690 --> 00:25:23,940
religious and are concerned that demons

603
00:25:28,490 --> 00:25:26,700
are involved supposedly like trying to

604
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,500
stop the narrative so that's just like

605
00:25:32,930 --> 00:25:31,200
one of the things like the the Mythos of

606
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:32,940
the UAV right

607
00:25:38,269 --> 00:25:36,000
um the transformation issue is really

608
00:25:41,210 --> 00:25:38,279
big you know that becomes a big part of

609
00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:41,220
this but I wanted to kind of jump to the

610
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,620
thing I just said and

611
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:45,840
um address that because we've had a lot

612
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:48,000
of researchers who spent a lot of time

613
00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:50,400
on this come out saying all of this is

614
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:52,260
connected

615
00:25:57,230 --> 00:25:55,500
um and they feel like once you go down

616
00:25:59,330 --> 00:25:57,240
the path far enough you start to see

617
00:26:01,490 --> 00:25:59,340
some parallels

618
00:26:04,669 --> 00:26:01,500
um the the like orbs for instance that

619
00:26:07,850 --> 00:26:04,679
are a common UAP are seen by people who

620
00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:07,860
study Spirits there's also you know like

621
00:26:11,870 --> 00:26:10,260
I watched Fatima the other day

622
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:11,880
um one of the more recent movies about

623
00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:13,260
Fatima

624
00:26:18,049 --> 00:26:14,700
um I don't know if you're familiar with

625
00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:18,059
that story it happened in Portugal some

626
00:26:23,210 --> 00:26:21,059
children encountered a lady dressed in

627
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,220
white they had the impression that she

628
00:26:28,250 --> 00:26:25,919
was the Virgin Mary she was giving them

629
00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:28,260
messages and then there was a massive

630
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:31,140
Miracle seen by everyone who came to the

631
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:35,820
site and it was the sun spiraling

632
00:26:40,669 --> 00:26:38,340
and yeah apparently it's been filmed but

633
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,679
I'm having a hard time like finding the

634
00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:42,960
film there's some pictures available

635
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:45,960
online of the incident though

636
00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:49,140
um so that's very similar to like the

637
00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:51,299
UAP phenomenon there's a lot of

638
00:26:55,789 --> 00:26:53,940
parallels and if you like I said you go

639
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,799
down the rabbit hole long enough you

640
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:57,360
find out that they're pretty much the

641
00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:58,559
same

642
00:27:03,289 --> 00:27:02,159
um I would recommend if I think it's

643
00:27:06,110 --> 00:27:03,299
um

644
00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:06,120
which is a trojan horse project Trojan

645
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:07,740
Horse can you remind me Nathan you read

646
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:11,279
this book uh yes yeah uh uh I think it

647
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:14,100
is Project Trojan Horse yes okay project

648
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,380
Trojan Horse and also

649
00:27:21,529 --> 00:27:18,480
um Diana pasoka who really addresses

650
00:27:23,630 --> 00:27:21,539
like you know the Vatican and like the

651
00:27:24,750 --> 00:27:23,640
fact that the Catholics are probably the

652
00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:24,760
most Supernatural

653
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:27,720
[Laughter]

654
00:27:32,590 --> 00:27:29,760
like not only with like having the

655
00:27:35,330 --> 00:27:32,600
massive Trove of documents about all the

656
00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:35,340
supernatural but just like the exorcisms

657
00:27:40,490 --> 00:27:38,100
and so on so separation Trojan Horse

658
00:27:42,470 --> 00:27:40,500
sorry yes thank you I was like why am I

659
00:27:45,049 --> 00:27:42,480
not thinking of it today thank you

660
00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:45,059
um yes operation Trojan Horse

661
00:27:49,490 --> 00:27:46,980
um that was one of the researchers that

662
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,500
ended up on this path and a lot of them

663
00:27:55,810 --> 00:27:52,080
get their valet is another

664
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:55,820
yeah oh yeah um

665
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:59,039
yeah I read American Cosmic and I

666
00:28:03,470 --> 00:28:01,440
interviewed Dr pasoka on my show and

667
00:28:07,130 --> 00:28:03,480
that was kind of my first introduction

668
00:28:09,230 --> 00:28:07,140
into the intersection I mean she not

669
00:28:12,590 --> 00:28:09,240
only does the intersection of religion

670
00:28:16,750 --> 00:28:12,600
and UFOs but also of technology and so

671
00:28:20,330 --> 00:28:16,760
like I just want to be her best friend

672
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:20,340
she's so cool yeah I was going to say

673
00:28:24,049 --> 00:28:22,260
she's coming on June 11th and I was

674
00:28:25,789 --> 00:28:24,059
going to say if you hadn't had her on

675
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,799
because now I'm going to go back and

676
00:28:30,769 --> 00:28:27,840
find that episode and listen to it yeah

677
00:28:33,049 --> 00:28:30,779
episode 148. nice okay thank you because

678
00:28:35,330 --> 00:28:33,059
let me write that down because we will

679
00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:35,340
we we would have helped you to to get

680
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:37,320
her when she comes back to you June 11th

681
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:38,820
but

682
00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:40,860
um she's very sure that this is

683
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:43,860
affirmational to people of religion and

684
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:45,900
that's what's interesting whereas it's

685
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:48,779
made other people maybe diverge or uh

686
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:50,700
but she believes no this will strengthen

687
00:28:56,990 --> 00:28:55,140
people's Faith uh uh because you know a

688
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:57,000
lot of people believe that that they're

689
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:58,679
all connected and actually you were

690
00:29:01,610 --> 00:29:00,179
you're about to make a point so I don't

691
00:29:03,529 --> 00:29:01,620
want to cut you off because like I can

692
00:29:05,269 --> 00:29:03,539
come back in did you have something

693
00:29:06,950 --> 00:29:05,279
Meredith no

694
00:29:10,850 --> 00:29:06,960
um I think I was just excited about Dr

695
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,860
pasoka like oh [\h__\h] it's natural yeah

696
00:29:16,750 --> 00:29:12,720
yeah I'm so glad that and he she

697
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:16,760
introduced me to Jose Herrera who was a

698
00:29:21,970 --> 00:29:20,159
marine trained in like psychic ability

699
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:21,980
and things like that yeah

700
00:29:28,190 --> 00:29:25,080
and because she like one page of her

701
00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:28,200
book says my former student Jose

702
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,020
was trained in his Squadron leadership

703
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:34,080
blah blah for you know psychic abilities

704
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:35,840
I was like

705
00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:40,320
dear Diana I need to meet Jose and

706
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:43,140
um he has a podcast and he is he would

707
00:29:46,669 --> 00:29:45,240
probably be a great fit for the show

708
00:29:49,549 --> 00:29:46,679
um if you're interested I'd be happy to

709
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:49,559
make an intro he I am is like deep dive

710
00:29:54,649 --> 00:29:51,539
dude like if I was gonna give him a

711
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,659
nickname that would be it yeah let me

712
00:29:59,889 --> 00:29:56,159
just ask you real quick is he an Intel

713
00:30:09,049 --> 00:30:05,810
I don't know he is no longer active duty

714
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,059
because if if the Squadron wanted him to

715
00:30:14,409 --> 00:30:11,760
uh to remote view is which is what it

716
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:14,419
sounds like you were saying uh we also

717
00:30:20,690 --> 00:30:17,120
we haven't Deb

718
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:20,700
we suspect possibly maybe

719
00:30:27,649 --> 00:30:22,080
that

720
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,659
say it well it's in a book yeah and he

721
00:30:31,490 --> 00:30:29,760
and just to clarify too I think and

722
00:30:34,730 --> 00:30:31,500
maybe you're saying this Meredith but

723
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:34,740
Jose's Squadron was trained in these

724
00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:39,480
techniques to kind of trust their inner

725
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:41,640
sight or intuition so he he's there's

726
00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:43,140
one episode

727
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,760
um I saw him speak where he goes through

728
00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:46,320
the process and basically he would say

729
00:30:50,269 --> 00:30:49,380
they look at a map of the territory that

730
00:30:51,649 --> 00:30:50,279
where they were going to go out on

731
00:30:53,389 --> 00:30:51,659
patrol or something and then he would

732
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:53,399
say well there's there's somebody over

733
00:30:56,269 --> 00:30:54,600
here there's something I'm picking up

734
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:56,279
over here that we have to pay attention

735
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,140
to and lo and behold there in fact was

736
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,240
something there

737
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:02,159
um and of course out in combat they're

738
00:31:06,169 --> 00:31:03,360
trained to

739
00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:06,179
lead into that skill as well

740
00:31:10,610 --> 00:31:09,059
yeah and when we talked on the show he

741
00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:10,620
talked about

742
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:14,399
how he believes everyone can really

743
00:31:20,510 --> 00:31:17,760
harness this ability and that some of it

744
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:20,520
is I always mess up this word cyclical

745
00:31:24,649 --> 00:31:22,860
but that sounds like cycle it's like

746
00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:24,659
psychic what's the word that I'm looking

747
00:31:29,710 --> 00:31:25,580
for

748
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:29,720
Corporation Cycles cyclical yeah psychic

749
00:31:34,909 --> 00:31:32,700
you know what I'm saying psychical yeah

750
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:34,919
cyclical that he says some of it is

751
00:31:41,810 --> 00:31:38,100
cyclical but a lot of it is

752
00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:41,820
um like uh just tapping into the part of

753
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:44,520
us that's sleepy because our noses are

754
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,630
totally makes sense but um people

755
00:31:53,930 --> 00:31:52,320
suspect this this has never been

756
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:53,940
officially said that I know Deb said it

757
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,679
might have been a book but that people

758
00:32:00,230 --> 00:31:58,320
believe that Lou Elizondo might have

759
00:32:01,850 --> 00:32:00,240
been a remote viewer when he was sitting

760
00:32:04,300 --> 00:32:01,860
like Jason oh because he was in the

761
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:07,750
[Music]

762
00:32:13,010 --> 00:32:10,190
I don't know that it's true I mean we

763
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,020
know Lou but we've never I he's not

764
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:15,600
wanted to speak about that so we

765
00:32:18,769 --> 00:32:17,220
wouldn't you know we'd kind of make it a

766
00:32:20,510 --> 00:32:18,779
point if somebody's like doesn't want to

767
00:32:22,130 --> 00:32:20,520
talk about it or they've been asked it

768
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:22,140
and they're not open to discussing it

769
00:32:27,049 --> 00:32:24,840
then of course yeah

770
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,059
um but that's why I asked if he was

771
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:29,760
Intel and and yes I mean clearly he's

772
00:32:35,450 --> 00:32:32,340
giving them intelligence about uh oh

773
00:32:37,250 --> 00:32:35,460
there's an IED here or there may be a uh

774
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:37,260
some sort of an Al-Qaeda encampment

775
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:38,820
right there you wouldn't want to go that

776
00:32:43,549 --> 00:32:41,340
direction you'd want to go go out to the

777
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:43,559
to the East and then North you know that

778
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:45,360
kind of stuff so that is really

779
00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:46,559
interesting we would love to talk to

780
00:32:50,029 --> 00:32:49,140
that guy yeah

781
00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:50,039
um

782
00:32:55,730 --> 00:32:52,580
uh but you know

783
00:32:59,210 --> 00:32:55,740
the community seems to be having a lot

784
00:33:00,769 --> 00:32:59,220
of difficulty in marrying things

785
00:33:03,289 --> 00:33:00,779
together so now we're part of the

786
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:03,299
Bigfoot Community which heretofore we

787
00:33:08,269 --> 00:33:06,120
were not uh as of you know six months

788
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:08,279
ago we just kind of got into this and

789
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:10,679
fortunately we met Matt and we added him

790
00:33:15,049 --> 00:33:12,419
to our cast but he has his own show

791
00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,059
Bigfoot Crossroads oh I think I've

792
00:33:19,789 --> 00:33:17,279
listened to that show he's great man

793
00:33:22,130 --> 00:33:19,799
yeah yeah because and you know here in

794
00:33:25,490 --> 00:33:22,140
the American South we have interesting

795
00:33:28,009 --> 00:33:25,500
things around Bigfoot and um

796
00:33:30,649 --> 00:33:28,019
yeah and I find Cryptids just you know

797
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,659
as we said before we started recording I

798
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:32,640
find it very interesting so

799
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:35,940
uh yeah that's interesting and so

800
00:33:40,690 --> 00:33:38,640
because that we we know a lot of people

801
00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:40,700
that have had a flesh and blood

802
00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:44,220
encounter I saw it cross the road I saw

803
00:33:49,789 --> 00:33:47,820
it on night vision I saw its eyes it uh

804
00:33:51,230 --> 00:33:49,799
it came around my campsite you know

805
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:51,240
you've heard it all by now I can tell

806
00:33:55,789 --> 00:33:53,700
that you've you you know what some of

807
00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:55,799
these encounters have been and some of

808
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:58,500
them are not open that there may be a

809
00:34:05,630 --> 00:34:01,679
paranormal aspect to the creature that

810
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:05,640
is heretofore unproven but may still be

811
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,280
a thing so I I try to just keep my

812
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:10,560
aperture open you know I didn't think

813
00:34:14,089 --> 00:34:12,540
you know when when we first started the

814
00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:14,099
show I didn't think ghosts had anything

815
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:17,399
to do with the phenomenon the UFOs but

816
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:20,220
you hang around Nathan and Deb and a lot

817
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,260
of our other friends long enough and it

818
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:24,240
opens your mind that wait a minute you

819
00:34:29,389 --> 00:34:26,399
know maybe maybe I you know I just

820
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:29,399
wasn't open to this and there may be a

821
00:34:35,149 --> 00:34:32,580
portal aspect that that bigfoots have

822
00:34:40,010 --> 00:34:35,159
come in and maybe people say no it's

823
00:34:42,169 --> 00:34:40,020
impossible really is it I mean yeah I I

824
00:34:44,210 --> 00:34:42,179
think I love

825
00:34:46,550 --> 00:34:44,220
um I love digging into native cultures

826
00:34:48,169 --> 00:34:46,560
and their take on this stuff because I

827
00:34:52,669 --> 00:34:48,179
feel like there's some real wisdom there

828
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:52,679
that gets lost because in our you know

829
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:56,040
Western tradition we we don't value

830
00:35:00,290 --> 00:34:59,520
um non-written history but I talked with

831
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:00,300
um

832
00:35:05,450 --> 00:35:03,780
his name is lopaka kapanui he's an actor

833
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:05,460
and he's all these things he's a

834
00:35:14,329 --> 00:35:09,000
Storyteller he's amazing and he runs

835
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:14,339
um this Hawaiian tour group in Honolulu

836
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:16,740
and in the Hawaiian tradition there's no

837
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:19,680
word for Supernatural it's all natural

838
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:22,920
and that seems to be making sense when

839
00:35:27,130 --> 00:35:24,660
we talk about all these different

840
00:35:28,970 --> 00:35:27,140
categories of

841
00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:28,980
phenomenon which by the way today's

842
00:35:34,550 --> 00:35:32,040
national paranormal day so yeah happy

843
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:34,560
happy us right we planned it like this

844
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:37,440
yeah yeah it was all part of the plan

845
00:35:42,770 --> 00:35:40,020
um and so I kind of wonder if this kind

846
00:35:45,890 --> 00:35:42,780
of if you were to take all of that as

847
00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:45,900
like one giant ball it would apply

848
00:35:49,490 --> 00:35:48,060
towards like the quantum theories and

849
00:35:52,329 --> 00:35:49,500
stuff like

850
00:35:55,310 --> 00:35:52,339
um I like Einstein's theory about energy

851
00:35:58,730 --> 00:35:55,320
uh that just like

852
00:36:01,790 --> 00:35:58,740
you know other energies our spirit when

853
00:36:04,250 --> 00:36:01,800
we pass away it doesn't

854
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,260
go away it doesn't like disappear it

855
00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:06,720
just transfers form kind of like water

856
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:10,440
vapor and I kind of wonder if

857
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:12,000
you know we're talking about Bigfoot

858
00:36:15,770 --> 00:36:13,020
when we're talking about ghosts we're

859
00:36:19,790 --> 00:36:15,780
talking about UFOs if it's just simply

860
00:36:22,970 --> 00:36:19,800
that these things are Supernatural to us

861
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:22,980
and not natural because of our limited

862
00:36:28,450 --> 00:36:26,640
perspective on our own universe and our

863
00:36:32,089 --> 00:36:28,460
place in the universe and our overly

864
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,099
self-important status in the universe

865
00:36:37,130 --> 00:36:34,400
Nathan are we too caught up in the label

866
00:36:40,730 --> 00:36:37,140
uh well yeah I mean look our language

867
00:36:42,710 --> 00:36:40,740
defines our possibilities and uh one

868
00:36:44,510 --> 00:36:42,720
thing I bet Meredith would agree on is

869
00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:44,520
that by having conversations that are

870
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:46,200
strange and different and about topics

871
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:48,359
that people don't want to talk about it

872
00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:50,760
expands your way of thinking about not

873
00:36:56,410 --> 00:36:54,060
only yourself but the world and in the

874
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,420
west we've gotten really good at kind of

875
00:37:01,069 --> 00:36:59,040
categorizing things and boxing them and

876
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:01,079
making them really tiny and Hyper

877
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:03,900
specialized and as if that's a way for

878
00:37:10,430 --> 00:37:08,280
us to master nature and we confuse our

879
00:37:13,069 --> 00:37:10,440
ability to categorize with with our

880
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:13,079
ability to understand right we kind of

881
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:14,640
think that we just because we've labeled

882
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:15,780
it we actually understand what's going

883
00:37:20,450 --> 00:37:18,180
on it's because we have a map of how to

884
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:20,460
get from here to Pensacola or whatever

885
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:22,320
it means like you're taking the journey

886
00:37:28,390 --> 00:37:25,920
it's not the same right so I think part

887
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,400
of the phenomena is

888
00:37:33,730 --> 00:37:31,200
showing us and kind of reminding us that

889
00:37:38,450 --> 00:37:33,740
there's more to the lived experience

890
00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:38,460
than our ability to try to frame it in a

891
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:40,200
way that makes sense to us there are

892
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,940
things outside of our

893
00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:43,920
you know of our comfort zone of our

894
00:37:49,550 --> 00:37:46,440
knowledge that are going to shake and

895
00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:49,560
transform us that remind us reality is

896
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:52,440
bigger broader wider weirder than we can

897
00:37:55,490 --> 00:37:53,520
comprehend

898
00:37:57,410 --> 00:37:55,500
I actually have an example for this and

899
00:37:59,210 --> 00:37:57,420
if you go ahead Meredith oh I just

900
00:38:01,730 --> 00:37:59,220
simply agreeing I love reality is

901
00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:01,740
weirder that I love that that's so good

902
00:38:06,829 --> 00:38:04,740
I was listening to a Bigfoot show I'm

903
00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:06,839
not going to say the name because uh the

904
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:09,480
the host is a friend of mine but

905
00:38:13,609 --> 00:38:10,680
um

906
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:13,619
there's a guy out on a hunting trip out

907
00:38:17,450 --> 00:38:15,839
west with his father and they go to like

908
00:38:20,030 --> 00:38:17,460
separate locations there might have been

909
00:38:21,950 --> 00:38:20,040
like you know several miles apart and

910
00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:21,960
then they come back and meet up

911
00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:26,280
and the hyper specificity with which he

912
00:38:32,210 --> 00:38:28,920
described every movement that he made

913
00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:32,220
his Weaponry how he planned to employ

914
00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:36,180
that weapon how many and when he when he

915
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:39,480
thought that he thought that he was

916
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,200
being drawn in by the Bigfoot which I

917
00:38:47,390 --> 00:38:45,599
think the way it sounded to me was he

918
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:47,400
was actually stalking that sound that he

919
00:38:51,410 --> 00:38:49,560
heard and he kept pursuing it and

920
00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:51,420
pursuing it and when it finally said

921
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,400
okay I've given enough ground and

922
00:38:58,970 --> 00:38:55,440
stepped out from behind a tree

923
00:39:02,569 --> 00:38:58,980
again when he's talking about every

924
00:39:04,010 --> 00:39:02,579
minute detail of his ta he's not a

925
00:39:05,810 --> 00:39:04,020
military dude not a law enforcement

926
00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:05,820
officer but he was talking about how he

927
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:07,619
had been to these sort of courses and

928
00:39:13,849 --> 00:39:10,020
and the hyper specificity that when he

929
00:39:16,490 --> 00:39:13,859
saw this and and and how he egressed out

930
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:16,500
of the area and why he took each step

931
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,300
and how many rounds he thought he could

932
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,400
get from this distance before this

933
00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:22,320
potential creature rushed him which

934
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:23,820
obviously it would have done that

935
00:39:29,390 --> 00:39:26,880
earlier if that was its intention

936
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:29,400
um it shocked his world that he was in

937
00:39:34,010 --> 00:39:31,740
therapy that his wife is like I wish he

938
00:39:36,650 --> 00:39:34,020
would have killed it that he was just

939
00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:36,660
you know overcome and he had decided

940
00:39:40,849 --> 00:39:39,960
that this had tried to draw him in to do

941
00:39:44,450 --> 00:39:40,859
something

942
00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:44,460
when quite obviously if it had wanted to

943
00:39:48,109 --> 00:39:46,619
do something to you it probably would

944
00:39:51,530 --> 00:39:48,119
have done that

945
00:39:54,170 --> 00:39:51,540
so I say all this to bolster the the

946
00:39:57,530 --> 00:39:54,180
point that you said is that it seems

947
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:57,540
though people require a framework

948
00:40:02,210 --> 00:39:59,520
it has to whatever it is that I'm

949
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:02,220
dealing with here it has to fit in this

950
00:40:07,490 --> 00:40:04,980
framework and if it does I can deal with

951
00:40:10,370 --> 00:40:07,500
it I can maybe shoot it and kill it if I

952
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,380
have to or want to and if it's outside

953
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,440
of this framework and I'm scared

954
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,599
to where I'm ready to pee on myself

955
00:40:20,810 --> 00:40:18,000
which many Bigfoot experiences have

956
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:20,820
that's problematic so I think Nathan

957
00:40:24,589 --> 00:40:23,040
what you're saying is that when we're

958
00:40:27,230 --> 00:40:24,599
dealing with whether it be Bigfoot

959
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:27,240
whether this be a poltergeist whether

960
00:40:34,910 --> 00:40:32,220
this be a craft or beings that

961
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:34,920
we want it to be in a framework and if

962
00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:37,980
it's not that's an issue for for many of

963
00:40:42,349 --> 00:40:40,440
us not necessarily all of us yeah I mean

964
00:40:44,089 --> 00:40:42,359
if it doesn't fit too it didn't that's

965
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:44,099
what leads to what they call ontological

966
00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:46,020
shock so

967
00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:49,380
um EXO yeah you know the world as you

968
00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:51,480
know it doesn't exist anymore and but

969
00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:53,579
you're still here so what is the world

970
00:40:58,810 --> 00:40:56,339
going to be in that new place you find

971
00:41:01,849 --> 00:40:58,820
yourself and you're you're at that point

972
00:41:03,710 --> 00:41:01,859
charting into un you know you're moving

973
00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:03,720
into Uncharted Territory

974
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:05,820
yeah I I wonder

975
00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:08,280
um since Deb is in mental health like I

976
00:41:14,450 --> 00:41:11,000
was just learning about the psychologist

977
00:41:16,370 --> 00:41:14,460
who used to help people who had

978
00:41:17,569 --> 00:41:16,380
um abduction experiences and how he

979
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:17,579
passed away and all that kind of thing

980
00:41:22,670 --> 00:41:19,260
and

981
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:22,680
um I'm just curious like Deb what your

982
00:41:28,370 --> 00:41:25,680
if you've ever treated somebody who has

983
00:41:31,310 --> 00:41:28,380
had a paranormal experience meaning not

984
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,320
just UFO or abduction but you know

985
00:41:35,810 --> 00:41:32,880
something across the board that either

986
00:41:37,609 --> 00:41:35,820
brought them Comfort or disturbed them

987
00:41:38,990 --> 00:41:37,619
that so much that they needed to talk

988
00:41:42,650 --> 00:41:39,000
about it

989
00:41:44,569 --> 00:41:42,660
yeah actually several and and I'm not

990
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:44,579
someone who is

991
00:41:50,450 --> 00:41:47,760
um listed as an experiencer supporter

992
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,460
either but this happens and it probably

993
00:41:54,770 --> 00:41:52,800
happens to lots of other mental health

994
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,780
professionals

995
00:42:00,410 --> 00:41:57,359
um so it's happened several times and

996
00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:00,420
I've also had people talk to me about

997
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:04,020
what they've seen with the UFO news and

998
00:42:09,290 --> 00:42:06,180
talk to me about that and I have to be

999
00:42:12,230 --> 00:42:09,300
really neutral but it is actually one of

1000
00:42:14,569 --> 00:42:12,240
my interests to help people with the

1001
00:42:16,430 --> 00:42:14,579
mental health aspect of all of this it

1002
00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:16,440
can be really traumatic

1003
00:42:23,390 --> 00:42:19,400
UAP Med yes

1004
00:42:27,530 --> 00:42:23,400
yes Deb's part of UAP Med as well that

1005
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:27,540
has Professionals of oh really yes we

1006
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,420
just had a panel on Mental Health this

1007
00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:33,119
last weekend actually and there are

1008
00:42:39,650 --> 00:42:34,260
people

1009
00:42:41,150 --> 00:42:39,660
in John Max footsteps and the John Mack

1010
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:41,160
Institute is actually up and running

1011
00:42:46,010 --> 00:42:44,099
again thanks to some people that Nathan

1012
00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:46,020
knows you know and things like that he's

1013
00:42:50,210 --> 00:42:48,540
like it's it's a it's amazing that he

1014
00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:50,220
was able to do that Harvard really

1015
00:42:56,210 --> 00:42:53,460
pushed back on him for doing it

1016
00:42:58,130 --> 00:42:56,220
um and I think there's I have to say

1017
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:58,140
there's a little bit of a bias when it

1018
00:43:02,630 --> 00:42:59,640
comes to someone who wants to support

1019
00:43:04,849 --> 00:43:02,640
people with this but but as opposed to

1020
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,859
if they were like say a Christian

1021
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:06,960
therapist you know like it's kind of

1022
00:43:13,010 --> 00:43:09,119
just a strange bias I'm not sure why

1023
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:13,020
that is but that exists are they doing

1024
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:14,460
anything at the University of Virginia

1025
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,000
because I find that man I want to just

1026
00:43:22,250 --> 00:43:20,160
interview every researcher there that's

1027
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:22,260
where Dr Bruce Grayson is that's what Dr

1028
00:43:26,569 --> 00:43:24,180
Jim Tucker is trying to get him on a

1029
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,579
show on the show to talk about past life

1030
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,280
experiences and children

1031
00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:31,680
um have you heard anything about this

1032
00:43:36,910 --> 00:43:34,260
sort of thing being looked at there I

1033
00:43:40,430 --> 00:43:36,920
actually hear about a lot of places

1034
00:43:42,589 --> 00:43:40,440
including Harvard so there's not a lot

1035
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:42,599
of public material but there's been

1036
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,000
Supernatural interests for years and

1037
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:46,800
years and years in all these different

1038
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:48,540
universities

1039
00:43:54,410 --> 00:43:51,720
um including in Baltimore so you'd be

1040
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:54,420
surprised like I've heard speakers from

1041
00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:56,700
the University of Baltimore you know

1042
00:44:06,069 --> 00:43:58,440
like they're they're all over the place

1043
00:44:12,109 --> 00:44:08,569
do you have

1044
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,119
um a feeling an opinion an outlook on

1045
00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:15,359
um Chris Bledsoe I I uh

1046
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,540
you know I'm I'm looking at if I had him

1047
00:44:22,190 --> 00:44:20,160
on the show like what would that look

1048
00:44:25,450 --> 00:44:22,200
like because I'm not a paranormal show

1049
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:25,460
and I do try to present things that have

1050
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,220
more outward facing paradoxes for

1051
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:32,160
example well like Dr Bruce Grayson's a

1052
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:33,599
great example so he studied near-death

1053
00:44:38,450 --> 00:44:35,400
experiences for 50 years so he's

1054
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:38,460
incredibly academic he's

1055
00:44:45,050 --> 00:44:41,280
um up until like really pretty recently

1056
00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:45,060
he was an atheist and yet he led this

1057
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:48,420
you know against up Upstream

1058
00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:51,300
journey of uh studying this subject

1059
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:53,099
matter and so I like that those two

1060
00:44:56,630 --> 00:44:54,540
things don't go together kind of like a

1061
00:44:58,010 --> 00:44:56,640
bear is interesting a tricycle is

1062
00:44:59,450 --> 00:44:58,020
interesting but a bear on tricycle is

1063
00:45:02,690 --> 00:44:59,460
super interesting

1064
00:45:04,970 --> 00:45:02,700
um so is is Chris Bledsoe a bear on a

1065
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:04,980
tricycle or like

1066
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:07,920
okay believe it or not the fact that the

1067
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:10,319
government was so interested in him and

1068
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:13,079
get got involved in his story might be

1069
00:45:17,930 --> 00:45:15,359
the tricycle in this scenario you know

1070
00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:17,940
the fact that they've not only came to

1071
00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:20,220
his house but they displaced his kids in

1072
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:23,220
order to camp out at his house so

1073
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:25,380
there's a lot more to his story I don't

1074
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,640
know if it

1075
00:45:31,309 --> 00:45:28,560
um is touched on in the book I haven't

1076
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,319
had a chance to read it yet but

1077
00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:33,599
um the fact that the government found

1078
00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:35,700
him really interesting and had

1079
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,619
experiences of their own when they were

1080
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,079
there it's just another facet to a story

1081
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:43,040
that intrigues me

1082
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:45,359
I was gonna say Diana has not come

1083
00:45:50,089 --> 00:45:47,700
public with exactly what she experienced

1084
00:45:51,170 --> 00:45:50,099
there yet Diana's been there

1085
00:45:53,930 --> 00:45:51,180
yes

1086
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:53,940
and I don't know if if she will I don't

1087
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:57,180
know what the uh I don't know you know

1088
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:58,560
we'll ask her about it when she comes

1089
00:46:02,690 --> 00:46:00,660
back I don't know if she's gonna answer

1090
00:46:05,569 --> 00:46:02,700
it but uh I know if you saw our Jim

1091
00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:05,579
semivan episode he said I went to his

1092
00:46:12,650 --> 00:46:10,619
house and saw a a white bull manifest in

1093
00:46:15,589 --> 00:46:12,660
his backyard right from them and and and

1094
00:46:17,809 --> 00:46:15,599
the white lady as well that that Chris

1095
00:46:20,270 --> 00:46:17,819
speaks about so what do you say to that

1096
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,280
when it's when it's a retired CA uh CIA

1097
00:46:25,970 --> 00:46:23,520
operative do you go ah man I you know I

1098
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:25,980
don't believe you dude I mean I mean

1099
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,200
these are very I mean and that's just

1100
00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:30,240
that's you know we've just named two

1101
00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:33,060
people out of many that have been there

1102
00:46:38,809 --> 00:46:35,220
and when all those three letter agencies

1103
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,819
went there is because they found uh a

1104
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,520
significant amount of evidence that he

1105
00:46:46,130 --> 00:46:43,920
could manifest something

1106
00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:46,140
pretty much on call and a lot of people

1107
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:48,300
can't do that I also wanted to mention

1108
00:46:52,849 --> 00:46:49,440
to you

1109
00:46:55,010 --> 00:46:52,859
um Deb alluded to and Nathan alluded to

1110
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:55,020
EXO Academia and this guy's name is

1111
00:47:00,170 --> 00:46:57,960
Darren he took over

1112
00:47:01,609 --> 00:47:00,180
uh is it the ranking position at the

1113
00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:01,619
John Mack he's the communications

1114
00:47:06,530 --> 00:47:03,660
director for the John Mack Institute

1115
00:47:08,329 --> 00:47:06,540
Institute okay and he's an experiencer

1116
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:08,339
he has also been to Chris bledsoe's

1117
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:11,760
property he is an experiencer he is a

1118
00:47:17,450 --> 00:47:15,119
has uh spoken at a couple of events of

1119
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:17,460
friends of ours have had and I think

1120
00:47:21,829 --> 00:47:19,200
he'd be a very interesting guest for

1121
00:47:23,569 --> 00:47:21,839
your show Meredith and um we can

1122
00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:23,579
wouldn't have a lot of trouble arranging

1123
00:47:27,470 --> 00:47:25,800
that so just let us know if you decide

1124
00:47:29,630 --> 00:47:27,480
you want to have Darren because do you

1125
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,640
know his last name can you share it yeah

1126
00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:32,160
it's Darren King okay great I will

1127
00:47:37,250 --> 00:47:35,940
cyberstock engaged yeah and Nathan I'm

1128
00:47:39,050 --> 00:47:37,260
talking to him tomorrow so I'll mention

1129
00:47:40,730 --> 00:47:39,060
it to you yeah Nathan has coffee with

1130
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,740
him every week so this is you know not

1131
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:42,960
going to be a big not going to have like

1132
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,020
me trying to get Chris Blitz on here I

1133
00:47:49,730 --> 00:47:48,240
got to meet him recently for one-on-one

1134
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:49,740
talk that I thought was going to be 15

1135
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,680
minutes it went over an hour and he like

1136
00:47:56,150 --> 00:47:54,480
made me really think about some things

1137
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,160
and I'm like damn I didn't expect that

1138
00:48:00,770 --> 00:47:58,319
to happen I was like not thinking that

1139
00:48:02,690 --> 00:48:00,780
was gonna happen but it was good he's

1140
00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:02,700
coming back on cab man he's a monster

1141
00:48:07,730 --> 00:48:05,220
man he is he's a very interesting guy

1142
00:48:10,849 --> 00:48:07,740
and Nathan and he are like brothers they

1143
00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:10,859
met on this show I believe that's really

1144
00:48:15,530 --> 00:48:12,900
cool don't you love that when guests

1145
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,540
become friends it's the best yeah well

1146
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:17,040
we lived in the same town

1147
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,819
yeah they both live in Nashville and uh

1148
00:48:24,410 --> 00:48:22,800
when when I asked Nathan when we started

1149
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,420
cab I said who's like the first five

1150
00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:26,160
people you want to have I can't remember

1151
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:28,680
who I know James Ryan doley was one I

1152
00:48:34,130 --> 00:48:31,560
know EXO Academia was one and so I I

1153
00:48:36,530 --> 00:48:34,140
messaged him and he says to me well what

1154
00:48:38,870 --> 00:48:36,540
kinds of questions would you ask me and

1155
00:48:40,910 --> 00:48:38,880
so Nathan's like oh I got this man so

1156
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,920
Nathan you know wrote Nathan knew you

1157
00:48:44,930 --> 00:48:42,720
know what to say and he fed him and he's

1158
00:48:46,490 --> 00:48:44,940
like yes I'll come on and as soon as

1159
00:48:48,410 --> 00:48:46,500
they came on air and started talking I

1160
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,420
was like these guys have had a shared

1161
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:50,640
experience growing them growing up both

1162
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,380
of them grew up in a religious

1163
00:48:56,270 --> 00:48:54,480
background studied religion in

1164
00:48:58,130 --> 00:48:56,280
University I was like these guys are

1165
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:58,140
brothers man it was just like it took me

1166
00:49:03,710 --> 00:49:00,839
like five minutes to figure that out

1167
00:49:05,569 --> 00:49:03,720
um so it it's great and and we've never

1168
00:49:07,430 --> 00:49:05,579
had Darren on since so thank God he's

1169
00:49:08,690 --> 00:49:07,440
coming back so we can yeah it's the

1170
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:08,700
right time

1171
00:49:13,849 --> 00:49:11,160
um and I think uh Meredith another sort

1172
00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:13,859
of angle on your approach to Chris

1173
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:15,660
um so there is definitely the bear on

1174
00:49:20,210 --> 00:49:18,660
the tricycle with the UFOs and the

1175
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:20,220
government interests in UFOs right

1176
00:49:25,250 --> 00:49:22,740
historically there's been a we don't

1177
00:49:26,089 --> 00:49:25,260
study this kind of perspective sure but

1178
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:26,099
I think

1179
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:28,560
one thing that Chris has not really been

1180
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:30,900
asked a lot about that you might have an

1181
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:33,900
opportunity to ask as an outsider is

1182
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:36,720
really what you raised earlier and how

1183
00:49:42,970 --> 00:49:40,260
does he sort of reconcile or balance the

1184
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:42,980
UFO experience with his religious

1185
00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:45,300
upbringing how does he contextualize

1186
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:47,700
those two things people that follow

1187
00:49:51,290 --> 00:49:50,160
Chris and you know have studied a lot of

1188
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,300
his interviews things like that I think

1189
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,520
it's like obvious to us that it that is

1190
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:55,440
religious background influences the way

1191
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:57,420
he understands it but very few people

1192
00:50:01,069 --> 00:49:58,800
seem I don't know if it's a comfort

1193
00:50:02,270 --> 00:50:01,079
issue or I'm not sure what it is but he

1194
00:50:04,130 --> 00:50:02,280
doesn't get a lot of direct questions

1195
00:50:07,609 --> 00:50:04,140
about it so I think that would be

1196
00:50:09,530 --> 00:50:07,619
interesting to hear him respond on you

1197
00:50:11,630 --> 00:50:09,540
know are you still a Believer what is

1198
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:11,640
the nature of your belief now you know

1199
00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:14,220
in light of your experience getting him

1200
00:50:19,370 --> 00:50:16,859
to talk a little bit more about that

1201
00:50:21,770 --> 00:50:19,380
yeah that's that's a very good Insight

1202
00:50:22,970 --> 00:50:21,780
thank you for that um he seems very

1203
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,980
sincere

1204
00:50:25,609 --> 00:50:24,240
um when I've listened to his other

1205
00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:25,619
interviews

1206
00:50:30,349 --> 00:50:27,960
um he is completely what I would

1207
00:50:32,450 --> 00:50:30,359
consider counter Sensational he you know

1208
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:32,460
it's like he's doing this because he

1209
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:34,740
feels like there's a message that needs

1210
00:50:39,410 --> 00:50:37,200
to get out and

1211
00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:39,420
um he doesn't want these experiences to

1212
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:42,300
be wasted by being secret and he's

1213
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:45,060
sacred like he's lost so much because of

1214
00:50:50,030 --> 00:50:47,940
this and it's it's heartbreaking because

1215
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:50,040
I I know how the Pentecostal church is

1216
00:50:55,130 --> 00:50:51,660
and

1217
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,140
um yeah that's yeah married to a

1218
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:57,359
preacher's daughter I mean I mean his

1219
00:51:03,950 --> 00:51:01,319
life too is just an incredible

1220
00:51:06,349 --> 00:51:03,960
um just Whirlwind of and roller coaster

1221
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:06,359
and so yeah there's there's so much

1222
00:51:10,609 --> 00:51:09,240
there that it's almost do you ever have

1223
00:51:13,370 --> 00:51:10,619
that will you have guests where you're

1224
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:13,380
like there's so much you could if you

1225
00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:15,000
talked about everything it'd almost be

1226
00:51:19,670 --> 00:51:17,280
like talking about nothing and so you

1227
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,680
have to pick like which thing would be

1228
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:21,599
the most important to my audience which

1229
00:51:25,910 --> 00:51:24,000
which is the thing that would be most

1230
00:51:26,930 --> 00:51:25,920
um satisfying to the guest because you

1231
00:51:30,230 --> 00:51:26,940
don't want it to be boring for them

1232
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:30,240
either and yeah he's just as a as I read

1233
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:33,420
his book I'm like oh my gosh this is so

1234
00:51:39,290 --> 00:51:36,900
insane so yeah we like to send cab

1235
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:39,300
always leave them want more and we can

1236
00:51:42,770 --> 00:51:40,800
always have the person back for a second

1237
00:51:44,510 --> 00:51:42,780
one but yeah you don't want to squeeze

1238
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,520
that fruit until there's no juice left

1239
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:46,559
then the person's exhausted you're

1240
00:51:50,750 --> 00:51:48,480
exhausted and then there's no reason to

1241
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:50,760
have a second episode yeah so by the way

1242
00:51:54,770 --> 00:51:52,380
I want to say hi to Julie our chat

1243
00:51:57,290 --> 00:51:54,780
moderator who has been uh battling

1244
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:57,300
illness in the hospital and uh hi Jules

1245
00:52:01,250 --> 00:51:59,700
one love to you from the cab crew this

1246
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,260
is Meredith that's waving to you right

1247
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,839
there and uh I'm hoping that you're

1248
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:06,000
going to get to go home soon you sounded

1249
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:08,040
phenomenal last night so that no pun

1250
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:09,920
intended so

1251
00:52:15,049 --> 00:52:12,960
so that was really cool

1252
00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:15,059
um I was thinking about for you to ask

1253
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,559
man after this what I want to do after

1254
00:52:20,930 --> 00:52:19,440
this is I'd like to everybody to uh you

1255
00:52:22,430 --> 00:52:20,940
know we'll start with like Nathan and

1256
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:22,440
throw those topics you know we can go

1257
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:24,000
down to Meredith and then dab in the

1258
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:25,380
MoMA cell

1259
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:26,040
um

1260
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:29,760
but you know is to try to get into the

1261
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:35,040
feel of what it's like to manifest the

1262
00:52:41,089 --> 00:52:38,160
phenomenon into your reality on call

1263
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:41,099
with a person there I'd like to know the

1264
00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:44,460
mindset I'd like to know what that feels

1265
00:52:48,410 --> 00:52:47,160
like and I also wanted to point out one

1266
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:48,420
other thing when you talked about how

1267
00:52:52,670 --> 00:52:50,700
genuine this gentleman is this is all

1268
00:52:55,849 --> 00:52:52,680
against the backdrop of the entire town

1269
00:52:59,569 --> 00:52:55,859
saying that he's a liar that Chris Jr

1270
00:53:01,970 --> 00:52:59,579
and Ryan were Liars uh with them I don't

1271
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:01,980
know if excommunicated would be the

1272
00:53:06,589 --> 00:53:04,680
right word but uh scorned and derided I

1273
00:53:09,410 --> 00:53:06,599
I guess you could say apostates

1274
00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,420
depending on what denomination you are

1275
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:11,760
yeah Heretics yeah yeah I think

1276
00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:14,520
apostates is Mormon yeah

1277
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:16,440
thank you though it sounds great though

1278
00:53:19,849 --> 00:53:17,599
man

1279
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:19,859
I mean I love alliteration we could be

1280
00:53:25,130 --> 00:53:22,160
like alien apostates there you go

1281
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:25,140
hey that's new I'm just about to say

1282
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:27,839
that yeah I love that

1283
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,480
to be treated you know like that is just

1284
00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,880
absurd for again and it's what I've told

1285
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:35,520
people about Anjali you know and and

1286
00:53:38,569 --> 00:53:37,020
she's going to be coming up soon with

1287
00:53:41,210 --> 00:53:38,579
John Ramirez love these two Intel

1288
00:53:44,210 --> 00:53:41,220
professionals she experienced something

1289
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:44,220
if you don't believe her fine don't

1290
00:53:49,490 --> 00:53:46,920
believe her don't believe Chris if if

1291
00:53:51,530 --> 00:53:49,500
you're somebody from Fayetteville but

1292
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:51,540
there's no reason to attack this person

1293
00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:53,520
just say I don't believe you have a

1294
00:53:58,549 --> 00:53:56,760
great day I'm going to Kroger

1295
00:54:01,490 --> 00:53:58,559
it would be Publix it would be public

1296
00:54:06,370 --> 00:54:01,500
yes that's right guys come on I even I

1297
00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:10,730
I really don't maybe they do so anyway

1298
00:54:15,049 --> 00:54:12,599
um all right so let's go are you guys

1299
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,059
ready to go with our topics du jour

1300
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:17,520
let's do it okay Nathan hopefully you

1301
00:54:20,589 --> 00:54:19,200
have the French onion soup with that big

1302
00:54:23,329 --> 00:54:20,599
cheese on top

1303
00:54:25,849 --> 00:54:23,339
oh my gosh incredible

1304
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,859
um and don't forget the potato chip

1305
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:27,599
question for Meredith before we go don't

1306
00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:30,180
that's true it will be a cab fail if we

1307
00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:32,280
forget we have to we have to all right

1308
00:54:36,290 --> 00:54:34,619
so uh some Meredith you're I'm sure

1309
00:54:38,089 --> 00:54:36,300
hearing this everywhere we're all

1310
00:54:39,950 --> 00:54:38,099
hearing this everywhere AI it's

1311
00:54:41,569 --> 00:54:39,960
everywhere right yeah and the reason I

1312
00:54:43,730 --> 00:54:41,579
like to bring this up I brought it up on

1313
00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:43,740
a couple episodes already is because it

1314
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:45,780
is a disruptive

1315
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,180
it's it's disrupting our society it is

1316
00:54:51,950 --> 00:54:50,400
and it will and I wondered if you've

1317
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:51,960
given some thought to how it will just

1318
00:54:57,470 --> 00:54:54,240
disrupt you know what we do you know

1319
00:55:00,410 --> 00:54:57,480
content creation uh you know we had TJ

1320
00:55:02,450 --> 00:55:00,420
Allard on with us very recently

1321
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,460
and he's uh one of The Producers on the

1322
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:04,319
show secret of skin walker Ranch and he

1323
00:55:07,790 --> 00:55:06,180
had an insight into this that I hadn't

1324
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,800
even considered that I thought was worth

1325
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:09,839
sharing and that was that you know once

1326
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:12,480
AI has kind of implemented in these you

1327
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:14,640
know YouTube or Tick Tock spaces that

1328
00:55:20,770 --> 00:55:17,940
essentially the your algorithmic uh

1329
00:55:23,569 --> 00:55:20,780
inclination will then just like

1330
00:55:25,609 --> 00:55:23,579
instigate a flurry of content coming

1331
00:55:27,770 --> 00:55:25,619
back issue that no human being will have

1332
00:55:30,349 --> 00:55:27,780
created but you will find compelling and

1333
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:30,359
interesting Etc so and it'll do it

1334
00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:32,520
faster than you and I can put together a

1335
00:55:38,270 --> 00:55:36,540
show like this uh so yeah right so I

1336
00:55:41,329 --> 00:55:38,280
mean what what do you think about that

1337
00:55:44,329 --> 00:55:41,339
and and uh where in all of that kind of

1338
00:55:46,609 --> 00:55:44,339
transformation is the human experiences

1339
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:46,619
the human connection are we going to

1340
00:55:50,809 --> 00:55:47,880
lose that

1341
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,819
mmm that is good I'm listening to that

1342
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:52,559
episode of your show right now I'm like

1343
00:55:56,329 --> 00:55:53,940
halfway through it so I haven't gotten

1344
00:55:57,650 --> 00:55:56,339
to that point yet so now I'm like oh I

1345
00:55:59,329 --> 00:55:57,660
can't wait to go back this would be so

1346
00:56:01,490 --> 00:55:59,339
much fun I feel like at the end we'll

1347
00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:01,500
like hand each other notes of like okay

1348
00:56:05,930 --> 00:56:03,660
you listen to episode this number I'll

1349
00:56:08,270 --> 00:56:05,940
listen to episode that number absolutely

1350
00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:08,280
um yeah I think uh

1351
00:56:12,170 --> 00:56:09,660
you know

1352
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,180
um from the production the production

1353
00:56:16,490 --> 00:56:14,160
side of me is the first to kick in when

1354
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:16,500
we talk about AI the side that you know

1355
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,740
is like an occasional model right um and

1356
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:21,839
when I mean model it's not like Runway

1357
00:56:26,329 --> 00:56:24,480
guys it's like the boring commercials

1358
00:56:29,690 --> 00:56:26,339
that they're like we want a good

1359
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:29,700
Midwestern looking woman that's me

1360
00:56:38,030 --> 00:56:34,680
um so I'm from Nebraska originally so um

1361
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:38,040
the the side that of me that knows about

1362
00:56:44,089 --> 00:56:40,680
release forms is like we have to change

1363
00:56:46,549 --> 00:56:44,099
these yesterday because when I go on set

1364
00:56:51,049 --> 00:56:46,559
I usually sign a release form that gives

1365
00:56:53,450 --> 00:56:51,059
the uh the client permission to alter my

1366
00:56:56,270 --> 00:56:53,460
appearance in whatever way they seem

1367
00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:56,280
necessary which usually just means like

1368
00:57:00,829 --> 00:56:58,260
if I had lipstick on my teeth you would

1369
00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:00,839
edit it out but now it has completely

1370
00:57:06,849 --> 00:57:03,540
different implications so one way that I

1371
00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:06,859
feel AI will impact podcaster creation

1372
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:09,900
is that our media release forms will

1373
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:12,900
need to specify to what degree the

1374
00:57:18,829 --> 00:57:16,800
creators will be using or not using AI

1375
00:57:20,750 --> 00:57:18,839
um so that's one thing and then as far

1376
00:57:24,170 --> 00:57:20,760
as like

1377
00:57:27,890 --> 00:57:24,180
our Humanity will robots take over you

1378
00:57:30,109 --> 00:57:27,900
know all of this sort of thing I

1379
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:30,119
from talking with different people who

1380
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:32,460
are way smarter than me I have learned

1381
00:57:38,569 --> 00:57:35,460
that there's always pendulum swings in

1382
00:57:40,790 --> 00:57:38,579
society so I talked with Nathan you

1383
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:40,800
might appreciate this Joshua Harris the

1384
00:57:46,809 --> 00:57:43,260
author of I kiss Dating Goodbye and he

1385
00:57:49,069 --> 00:57:46,819
was a central figure in late 1990s

1386
00:57:50,270 --> 00:57:49,079
Pentecostal Christian Evangelical

1387
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:50,280
community

1388
00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:52,980
he believes he's since left all that but

1389
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:56,819
he believes that because we've swung to

1390
00:58:01,490 --> 00:58:00,180
the side of like hook up and apps and

1391
00:58:03,650 --> 00:58:01,500
all of that that there will be a

1392
00:58:06,410 --> 00:58:03,660
pendulum swing back to a very

1393
00:58:08,930 --> 00:58:06,420
traditional courtship that will again

1394
00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:08,940
require another pendulum swing back to

1395
00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:12,420
like free love and I suspect that there

1396
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,680
will be something similar with AI

1397
00:58:20,809 --> 00:58:18,720
um that it will

1398
00:58:25,010 --> 00:58:20,819
that it will spark what's already

1399
00:58:28,010 --> 00:58:25,020
happening which is a non-tech

1400
00:58:31,849 --> 00:58:28,020
movement like there's people who are

1401
00:58:33,950 --> 00:58:31,859
wearing little Rings like little blue or

1402
00:58:36,109 --> 00:58:33,960
something rubber rings and that says

1403
00:58:38,270 --> 00:58:36,119
like hey I'm open for you to flirt with

1404
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,280
me in real life and they go places in

1405
00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:40,319
real life and they don't use apps and

1406
00:58:44,210 --> 00:58:42,780
there's uh dumb dumb phones that you can

1407
00:58:48,109 --> 00:58:44,220
buy right

1408
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,119
and so I think that AI will speed this

1409
00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:51,359
movement along but I am concerned about

1410
00:58:55,870 --> 00:58:53,880
how much it will take

1411
00:58:59,450 --> 00:58:55,880
and that we won't be able to get back

1412
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:59,460
because uh you know

1413
00:59:03,049 --> 00:59:00,240
um

1414
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:03,059
I I think it's changing our physiology I

1415
00:59:06,650 --> 00:59:04,559
think it's changing the way our brains

1416
00:59:08,329 --> 00:59:06,660
are wired it's changing if you look at

1417
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:08,339
young people all of their they all have

1418
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:09,960
shoulder impingements they're all like

1419
00:59:15,950 --> 00:59:13,200
shoulders or ground rounded forward so

1420
00:59:17,809 --> 00:59:15,960
it sounds weird but I do feel like there

1421
00:59:19,730 --> 00:59:17,819
are some things that it will change that

1422
00:59:22,510 --> 00:59:19,740
we may not be able to swing back just

1423
00:59:25,670 --> 00:59:22,520
with a simple you know decade or two

1424
00:59:26,569 --> 00:59:25,680
yeah wow good stuff Deb what do you

1425
00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:26,579
think about that have you thought about

1426
00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:29,700
that with your show and our show yeah I

1427
00:59:35,329 --> 00:59:32,520
think that um one of the issues will be

1428
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:35,339
that the standard of having information

1429
00:59:40,190 --> 00:59:38,400
is going to be raised because we we've

1430
00:59:43,609 --> 00:59:40,200
already had such access to information

1431
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:43,619
but with AI like just compiling

1432
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,260
everything for us like instantaneously

1433
00:59:52,970 --> 00:59:48,960
like if there's a question people will

1434
00:59:55,730 --> 00:59:52,980
have access to it I can't foresee the

1435
00:59:57,650 --> 00:59:55,740
traditionalist movement lasting because

1436
00:59:59,569 --> 00:59:57,660
I think that this is actually going to

1437
01:00:02,870 --> 00:59:59,579
move towards being more integrated with

1438
01:00:04,970 --> 01:00:02,880
us in the future which is I know so much

1439
01:00:07,490 --> 01:00:04,980
Sinister but I think it's going to

1440
01:00:10,010 --> 01:00:07,500
happen like take a phone from a teenager

1441
01:00:11,089 --> 01:00:10,020
good luck you know it's like it's a

1442
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:11,099
trial

1443
01:00:14,690 --> 01:00:12,720
um I think that you know that's just

1444
01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:14,700
going to be a part of who we are and I

1445
01:00:20,089 --> 01:00:16,980
wouldn't be surprised like you know even

1446
01:00:22,849 --> 01:00:20,099
now technically we're kind of using AI

1447
01:00:26,030 --> 01:00:22,859
just to do stream yard you know I think

1448
01:00:28,190 --> 01:00:26,040
um even the visuals that people have are

1449
01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:28,200
getting more and more advanced and we

1450
01:00:32,690 --> 01:00:30,900
just keep going that direction so that's

1451
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:32,700
what I think are you referring to

1452
01:00:37,549 --> 01:00:35,520
neurotech also a little bit yeah just

1453
01:00:38,690 --> 01:00:37,559
but it won't be neuralink because they

1454
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:38,700
messed up

1455
01:00:41,630 --> 01:00:39,839
um it's going to be some of their

1456
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:41,640
competitors which already have human

1457
01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:46,640
trials and are better I'm sorry musk

1458
01:00:52,910 --> 01:00:50,700
yeah I I think that um

1459
01:00:55,069 --> 01:00:52,920
I've actually I found my I saw my paper

1460
01:00:57,890 --> 01:00:55,079
on this in grammarly yesterday because I

1461
01:01:00,049 --> 01:00:57,900
wrote at least a couple of papers in

1462
01:01:01,730 --> 01:01:00,059
2020 when I was in college about this

1463
01:01:03,770 --> 01:01:01,740
and

1464
01:01:06,650 --> 01:01:03,780
um I think it's it's very dangerous

1465
01:01:09,370 --> 01:01:06,660
because of the fact that the controls

1466
01:01:13,490 --> 01:01:09,380
the control measures are not in place

1467
01:01:16,970 --> 01:01:13,500
prior to and I think the technology will

1468
01:01:19,370 --> 01:01:16,980
outpace the adult in the room controls

1469
01:01:20,809 --> 01:01:19,380
that need to constrain it

1470
01:01:22,609 --> 01:01:20,819
um you've seen you've seen you guys

1471
01:01:24,170 --> 01:01:22,619
everybody on this panel here knows

1472
01:01:27,230 --> 01:01:24,180
what's happened when they've run some

1473
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:27,240
tests and what AI Unleashed even in a

1474
01:01:33,470 --> 01:01:30,900
closed environment was trying to do and

1475
01:01:35,150 --> 01:01:33,480
um the paper that I read and the excuse

1476
01:01:37,270 --> 01:01:35,160
me that I wrote and the sources I looked

1477
01:01:40,670 --> 01:01:37,280
at all felt the same way

1478
01:01:42,890 --> 01:01:40,680
Elon was one of them Jan talin from

1479
01:01:44,809 --> 01:01:42,900
Skype was another one and there's

1480
01:01:48,109 --> 01:01:44,819
another gentleman who spoke before

1481
01:01:51,890 --> 01:01:48,119
Congress he's a Communications guy he

1482
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:51,900
spoke about 5G and and connected to Ai

1483
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:54,000
and the speed that it could process and

1484
01:01:58,730 --> 01:01:56,160
and have knowledge so

1485
01:02:01,190 --> 01:01:58,740
um I think that um

1486
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:01,200
the human interaction is very important

1487
01:02:07,250 --> 01:02:03,599
and we have to be very very careful

1488
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,260
about thinking that this this uh uh

1489
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:09,359
society that we have and when I say that

1490
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:11,520
I mean this world society not just

1491
01:02:17,329 --> 01:02:14,760
American society is is in finite that um

1492
01:02:20,270 --> 01:02:17,339
that it is believe me the Romans didn't

1493
01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:20,280
think that uh that that the Goths were

1494
01:02:24,049 --> 01:02:22,619
going to come marching into uh to Rome

1495
01:02:26,030 --> 01:02:24,059
either so

1496
01:02:27,950 --> 01:02:26,040
um although I guess you could argue that

1497
01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:27,960
Caesar kind of pushed some Julius pushed

1498
01:02:32,690 --> 01:02:30,240
him in that direction uh more so than

1499
01:02:34,370 --> 01:02:32,700
what the Senate may have wanted uh but

1500
01:02:37,730 --> 01:02:34,380
anyway I I think it could be quite

1501
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:37,740
dangerous uh and I think their needs I

1502
01:02:42,770 --> 01:02:40,740
think that AE see the way I adjudicate

1503
01:02:44,569 --> 01:02:42,780
this is the same way I think about the

1504
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,579
phenomenon it's the same way I think

1505
01:02:48,589 --> 01:02:46,799
about Bigfoot these guys have heard me

1506
01:02:50,210 --> 01:02:48,599
say until they want to just like take

1507
01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:50,220
two foamies and stick them in the

1508
01:02:54,650 --> 01:02:51,660
earplugs like they're on the flight line

1509
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:54,660
is it's not necessarily this exactly

1510
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:57,359
right it's not necessarily this or that

1511
01:03:04,190 --> 01:03:00,079
it could be this and that so

1512
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:04,200
yes medicine is able to go through a

1513
01:03:08,809 --> 01:03:06,180
myriad of you know whether there's a

1514
01:03:11,930 --> 01:03:08,819
conflict in drugs uh whether or not you

1515
01:03:15,530 --> 01:03:11,940
know it if if we ever are able to uh

1516
01:03:17,089 --> 01:03:15,540
solve this cancer crisis AI may be uh

1517
01:03:19,609 --> 01:03:17,099
what's able to find you know that

1518
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,619
certain protein or or something so I

1519
01:03:24,410 --> 01:03:21,599
think it can be very valuable in

1520
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:24,420
probably thousands of ways you know not

1521
01:03:28,609 --> 01:03:26,640
the Lisa which is Nathan's artwork which

1522
01:03:33,609 --> 01:03:28,619
may be the most important thing that it

1523
01:03:36,410 --> 01:03:33,619
can do but but but also I think that

1524
01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:36,420
artificial general intelligence strong

1525
01:03:41,569 --> 01:03:39,000
AI if you want to use that word could

1526
01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:41,579
can be very very dangerous if there are

1527
01:03:46,789 --> 01:03:44,400
not strict measures and controls put on

1528
01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:46,799
what they allow it to do because now

1529
01:03:51,170 --> 01:03:48,960
it's cracking every password and it can

1530
01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:51,180
it can shut off power it can do all

1531
01:03:56,569 --> 01:03:52,740
kinds of things if it were to get there

1532
01:03:59,030 --> 01:03:56,579
so uh yes very valuable very helpful uh

1533
01:04:01,250 --> 01:03:59,040
but could be very dangerous same thing

1534
01:04:04,250 --> 01:04:01,260
Bigfoot is it Flesh and Blood yes could

1535
01:04:06,710 --> 01:04:04,260
there be a pair a uh a supernatural or

1536
01:04:08,569 --> 01:04:06,720
extra not even extraterrestrial could

1537
01:04:12,109 --> 01:04:08,579
there be a component of it that we don't

1538
01:04:13,609 --> 01:04:12,119
understand yes can UFOs are they

1539
01:04:16,370 --> 01:04:13,619
extraterrestrial are they all

1540
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,380
ultra-terrestrial where its origin are

1541
01:04:20,329 --> 01:04:18,480
is actually here on Earth and they

1542
01:04:23,089 --> 01:04:20,339
appear when we want them to or

1543
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:23,099
extraterrestrial maybe both who knows

1544
01:04:27,950 --> 01:04:25,380
can we know that you know we there's

1545
01:04:30,049 --> 01:04:27,960
evidence to suggest both are true so

1546
01:04:33,230 --> 01:04:30,059
that's that's my theory about that yeah

1547
01:04:36,130 --> 01:04:33,240
and who's next Miss Meredith Edwards and

1548
01:04:42,049 --> 01:04:40,130
uh okay I'm torn between two I kind of

1549
01:04:43,609 --> 01:04:42,059
want to know if y'all have had an

1550
01:04:47,170 --> 01:04:43,619
experience

1551
01:04:49,609 --> 01:04:47,180
and okay Nathan's nodding

1552
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:49,619
that's just what we do we nod on cab

1553
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:51,839
there's a lot of nodding yeah you can't

1554
01:04:57,230 --> 01:04:54,240
see her she said I'm an active listener

1555
01:04:59,870 --> 01:04:57,240
I love that and I expect Deb to not sing

1556
01:05:02,089 --> 01:04:59,880
as she's in the mental health space

1557
01:05:05,569 --> 01:05:02,099
um okay that that I'm gonna make that my

1558
01:05:10,789 --> 01:05:05,579
question is uh have you had an

1559
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:10,799
experience that is outside of the normal

1560
01:05:15,950 --> 01:05:14,520
stuff and if you have what is it I just

1561
01:05:17,690 --> 01:05:15,960
want to say this is a dated question

1562
01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:17,700
Jimi Hendrix had it right on the front

1563
01:05:25,390 --> 01:05:20,280
of his album are you experienced you

1564
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:28,730
this is you buddy I'm going first okay

1565
01:05:33,170 --> 01:05:30,480
so

1566
01:05:36,109 --> 01:05:33,180
um yeah I think well it's really hard to

1567
01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:36,119
say where to start on that I've had um a

1568
01:05:42,470 --> 01:05:39,780
really intensive dream that is very

1569
01:05:47,030 --> 01:05:42,480
similar to what people talk about with

1570
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:47,040
ndes I've had a paranormal experiences

1571
01:05:52,250 --> 01:05:49,680
when I was ghost hunting which I found

1572
01:05:54,770 --> 01:05:52,260
out I am not brave enough to do

1573
01:05:58,010 --> 01:05:54,780
um like because I I have like a sensory

1574
01:06:01,250 --> 01:05:58,020
reaction right I've had some

1575
01:06:02,569 --> 01:06:01,260
um dreams that foretold things

1576
01:06:04,670 --> 01:06:02,579
um for some reason it was family

1577
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:04,680
pregnancies over and over I was like

1578
01:06:08,690 --> 01:06:06,960
like the twins you know it's the gender

1579
01:06:10,069 --> 01:06:08,700
all of those things were told to me in

1580
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:10,079
dreams

1581
01:06:15,470 --> 01:06:12,240
um you know had

1582
01:06:18,349 --> 01:06:15,480
a couple UFO sightings to me that's not

1583
01:06:21,109 --> 01:06:18,359
a big deal actually and I've had really

1584
01:06:23,870 --> 01:06:21,119
intensive meditations which has resulted

1585
01:06:27,049 --> 01:06:23,880
in me kind of exploring the science of

1586
01:06:29,390 --> 01:06:27,059
um the brain neurology and trying to

1587
01:06:32,150 --> 01:06:29,400
understand what's going on with that so

1588
01:06:33,829 --> 01:06:32,160
yeah quite a few actually

1589
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,839
it's amazing

1590
01:06:38,029 --> 01:06:35,760
um I love this question because I'm not

1591
01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:38,039
a traditional experiencer so we've

1592
01:06:42,650 --> 01:06:39,480
interviewed a lot of them that have had

1593
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:42,660
amazing Fantastical sightings and

1594
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:45,599
experiences with beings etc etc but if

1595
01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:47,280
I'm honest with my own self and looking

1596
01:06:51,529 --> 01:06:49,980
at the experiences I've had in life that

1597
01:06:55,069 --> 01:06:51,539
are strange

1598
01:06:57,170 --> 01:06:55,079
that aren't as clear-cut as those there

1599
01:06:58,010 --> 01:06:57,180
are many right and I think this is

1600
01:07:00,529 --> 01:06:58,020
what's

1601
01:07:02,450 --> 01:07:00,539
where the real meat of it all is quite

1602
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:02,460
frankly is that everybody has

1603
01:07:09,349 --> 01:07:06,240
experiences uh that are strange and hard

1604
01:07:10,430 --> 01:07:09,359
to fit into those categories we talked

1605
01:07:13,789 --> 01:07:10,440
about earlier those neat little

1606
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,799
scientific ways we understand the world

1607
01:07:17,630 --> 01:07:16,319
um you know I I've had experiences of

1608
01:07:21,109 --> 01:07:17,640
precognition you know I've had

1609
01:07:24,410 --> 01:07:21,119
experiences of um insane synchronicity

1610
01:07:27,170 --> 01:07:24,420
that defies any kind of

1611
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:27,180
you know logic or in a coincidental

1612
01:07:30,410 --> 01:07:28,319
interaction

1613
01:07:32,569 --> 01:07:30,420
um and and you know who hasn't right if

1614
01:07:34,370 --> 01:07:32,579
you if you really get people talking and

1615
01:07:37,010 --> 01:07:34,380
oftentimes you'll find that these things

1616
01:07:39,829 --> 01:07:37,020
have dramatically influenced their

1617
01:07:41,450 --> 01:07:39,839
entire life trajectory right so how many

1618
01:07:44,029 --> 01:07:41,460
people can you meet that will say you

1619
01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:44,039
know I met my partner in this super

1620
01:07:48,170 --> 01:07:46,200
strange way and I had to stream about

1621
01:07:49,789 --> 01:07:48,180
them and and here we are and like I've

1622
01:07:51,589 --> 01:07:49,799
devoted my entire life to this person

1623
01:07:53,809 --> 01:07:51,599
wow it was on on you're telling me like

1624
01:07:55,609 --> 01:07:53,819
on a a thing that you you ate one night

1625
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:55,619
and a dream that you had and you're now

1626
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:56,880
you know 50 years later you've been

1627
01:07:59,390 --> 01:07:58,319
happily married with you know kids and

1628
01:08:01,309 --> 01:07:59,400
grandkids or something you know like

1629
01:08:03,710 --> 01:08:01,319
that but that happens it happens all the

1630
01:08:06,170 --> 01:08:03,720
time and so I think that if we are

1631
01:08:09,470 --> 01:08:06,180
honest with ourselves uh

1632
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:09,480
you know this whatever this is is part

1633
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,020
and parcel to The Human Experience

1634
01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:15,359
um and that to me is uh is actually

1635
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:18,060
really exciting like because I think you

1636
01:08:22,610 --> 01:08:20,880
can learn from those mundane things in

1637
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:22,620
just the same way that we can learn from

1638
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:25,679
these Fantastical experiences

1639
01:08:29,390 --> 01:08:27,600
um but I have had you know a little bit

1640
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:29,400
of Fantastical experiences too you know

1641
01:08:33,349 --> 01:08:30,960
I've had some altered state experiences

1642
01:08:35,809 --> 01:08:33,359
that were really wild

1643
01:08:38,689 --> 01:08:35,819
um is that code for mushrooms I won't

1644
01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:38,699
say I won't say you're going there

1645
01:08:47,689 --> 01:08:44,749
but yeah I mean it's uh you know

1646
01:08:49,249 --> 01:08:47,699
fascinating stuff right like uh where

1647
01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:49,259
um

1648
01:08:54,410 --> 01:08:51,000
I mean I literally had an experience

1649
01:08:56,689 --> 01:08:54,420
where I I thought something in this in

1650
01:08:59,390 --> 01:08:56,699
this moment that when I that later on

1651
01:09:00,349 --> 01:08:59,400
that day like it happened having a

1652
01:09:02,269 --> 01:09:00,359
knowing

1653
01:09:03,289 --> 01:09:02,279
yeah I mean and I hadn't it was

1654
01:09:06,110 --> 01:09:03,299
something I would never think about

1655
01:09:07,010 --> 01:09:06,120
never occurred to me period and it it

1656
01:09:09,050 --> 01:09:07,020
happened

1657
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:09,060
so I you know that's hard for me to

1658
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:10,319
explain

1659
01:09:14,689 --> 01:09:13,199
um and Powerful

1660
01:09:16,970 --> 01:09:14,699
but I think what was weird too is like

1661
01:09:18,349 --> 01:09:16,980
people will just the last thing I'll say

1662
01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:18,359
on this is synchronicity sometimes

1663
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:19,859
people go I had a synchronicity today

1664
01:09:23,630 --> 01:09:22,080
it's about this uh you know book or

1665
01:09:25,910 --> 01:09:23,640
something and so I guess now I need to

1666
01:09:27,229 --> 01:09:25,920
devote my all of my energy to reading

1667
01:09:29,150 --> 01:09:27,239
this book and and learning everything

1668
01:09:31,729 --> 01:09:29,160
about you know such and such and I'm not

1669
01:09:34,249 --> 01:09:31,739
sure that's necessarily the takeaway of

1670
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:34,259
a synchronicity is to just kind of fall

1671
01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:36,719
down whatever rabbit hole that

1672
01:09:40,849 --> 01:09:38,940
synchronicity might mean for you it

1673
01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:40,859
could at some point but but maybe not

1674
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,420
always I think what it really is though

1675
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:44,640
is just telling us it's like

1676
01:09:49,970 --> 01:09:46,980
it's like it's like we're stuck in a in

1677
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:49,980
a box that is dark and synchronicities

1678
01:09:54,410 --> 01:09:52,319
are beams of light rays of Light Of

1679
01:09:56,209 --> 01:09:54,420
Sunshine that are kind of finding their

1680
01:09:59,150 --> 01:09:56,219
way through the cracks of the box and

1681
01:10:02,030 --> 01:09:59,160
and telling us there's another world out

1682
01:10:04,729 --> 01:10:02,040
there that that we are that is more real

1683
01:10:06,530 --> 01:10:04,739
than the box that we live in and uh we

1684
01:10:07,250 --> 01:10:06,540
got to break out from that to experience

1685
01:10:10,729 --> 01:10:07,260
it

1686
01:10:13,490 --> 01:10:10,739
the Box sounds like code for the um

1687
01:10:16,450 --> 01:10:13,500
what's the word the Dome theory that we

1688
01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:16,460
live in a dome another Dome yeah

1689
01:10:21,890 --> 01:10:19,860
or like uh yep yeah Chris Botto talks

1690
01:10:24,050 --> 01:10:21,900
about it in his book that he uses a word

1691
01:10:25,550 --> 01:10:24,060
that I can't bring to mind right now but

1692
01:10:26,510 --> 01:10:25,560
like

1693
01:10:28,669 --> 01:10:26,520
um

1694
01:10:29,870 --> 01:10:28,679
what's the thing you put a plant in to

1695
01:10:33,530 --> 01:10:29,880
keep it humid

1696
01:10:35,689 --> 01:10:33,540
oh a terrarium a terrarium yeah he calls

1697
01:10:37,310 --> 01:10:35,699
it like the terrarium Theory um and so

1698
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:37,320
that's I thought you were alluding to

1699
01:10:40,450 --> 01:10:39,060
that much like your altered state

1700
01:10:43,010 --> 01:10:40,460
statement

1701
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,020
altered state great team thanks Meredith

1702
01:10:47,209 --> 01:10:45,600
yeah great great view a movie by William

1703
01:10:48,830 --> 01:10:47,219
Hurt but

1704
01:10:50,810 --> 01:10:48,840
um the you know what's funny is we're

1705
01:10:53,229 --> 01:10:50,820
back to Logan's Run again so anybody who

1706
01:10:58,850 --> 01:10:53,239
hasn't seen it it's late

1707
01:11:00,410 --> 01:10:58,860
1979 or 80 and it stars Dirk Benedict uh

1708
01:11:02,209 --> 01:11:00,420
if you guys remember him from The A-Team

1709
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:02,219
Dirk Benedict

1710
01:11:05,870 --> 01:11:04,080
um and I can't remember the female it

1711
01:11:07,729 --> 01:11:05,880
was a British actress but interesting

1712
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,739
movie about living in a bubble and when

1713
01:11:12,890 --> 01:11:09,360
they were able to find their way out it

1714
01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:12,900
was called Sanctuary so anyway

1715
01:11:15,470 --> 01:11:13,580
um

1716
01:11:16,250 --> 01:11:15,480
so

1717
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:16,260
um

1718
01:11:20,990 --> 01:11:19,260
uh let's see this was Deb's

1719
01:11:22,729 --> 01:11:21,000
tell us about your experience Susan

1720
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:22,739
Meredith's question right because we

1721
01:11:25,090 --> 01:11:24,239
went slightly out of order what was it

1722
01:11:28,610 --> 01:11:25,100
again

1723
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:28,620
experience oh yeah I mean my experience

1724
01:11:33,770 --> 01:11:31,440
uh I I did have a sighting as as a young

1725
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,780
young person but it wasn't long enough

1726
01:11:37,850 --> 01:11:35,760
to really go through that whole series

1727
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,860
of emotions because it kind of went the

1728
01:11:40,910 --> 01:11:39,600
other direction I did have another kid

1729
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,920
there

1730
01:11:45,890 --> 01:11:42,960
um and that was about it but in terms of

1731
01:11:47,750 --> 01:11:45,900
uh synchronicities uh other than the

1732
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:47,760
police album Number One into it like

1733
01:11:52,130 --> 01:11:49,440
both those

1734
01:11:55,250 --> 01:11:52,140
um I I have Nathan and I actually have a

1735
01:11:58,729 --> 01:11:55,260
synchronicity about our friendship which

1736
01:12:00,590 --> 01:11:58,739
involves his older brother Justin

1737
01:12:03,410 --> 01:12:00,600
um so

1738
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:03,420
um yeah I really it it's funny that um

1739
01:12:08,270 --> 01:12:05,520
if the people in this show haven't I

1740
01:12:11,209 --> 01:12:08,280
mean if we think about everybody on the

1741
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,219
show we really don't have a lot of

1742
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:13,199
experience with the phenomenon but we're

1743
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:16,800
able to have people on and they speak

1744
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:19,679
about it and take that in and it's it's

1745
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:21,600
fascinating it's just you know one of

1746
01:12:27,490 --> 01:12:23,040
the most fun things I could think of

1747
01:12:32,090 --> 01:12:29,930
no so

1748
01:12:34,970 --> 01:12:32,100
after that uh Deb actually is going to

1749
01:12:36,530 --> 01:12:34,980
go with her topic then I'll go then uh

1750
01:12:40,430 --> 01:12:36,540
and Nathan you already went right yeah I

1751
01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:40,440
did yeah yeah go ahead okay so today I

1752
01:12:45,470 --> 01:12:43,320
got in the mail a little E.T figure it

1753
01:12:47,330 --> 01:12:45,480
was like the 40th anniversary and I'm

1754
01:12:49,669 --> 01:12:47,340
it's now in my collection of things

1755
01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:49,679
right and it had me thinking about

1756
01:12:55,689 --> 01:12:51,960
something we don't talk about that often

1757
01:12:59,450 --> 01:12:55,699
that supposedly the Intel Community

1758
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,460
influences what we see in art media and

1759
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:01,440
I've noticed lately that there's a shift

1760
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:05,040
towards more films about Ai and us be

1761
01:13:10,370 --> 01:13:07,679
coming integrated with it actually

1762
01:13:13,550 --> 01:13:10,380
um which as DJ pointed out is sometimes

1763
01:13:15,649 --> 01:13:13,560
very dark so it's a Different Twist then

1764
01:13:18,169 --> 01:13:15,659
it's separate from us it's now something

1765
01:13:20,570 --> 01:13:18,179
we're integrated with so I guess my

1766
01:13:22,149 --> 01:13:20,580
question to everyone is you know how is

1767
01:13:26,330 --> 01:13:22,159
Media

1768
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:26,340
influencing our society and well

1769
01:13:31,250 --> 01:13:29,280
basically AI be the next UFO

1770
01:13:34,250 --> 01:13:31,260
will it be the next God will it be the

1771
01:13:39,470 --> 01:13:36,470
um so first of all you know you know

1772
01:13:40,669 --> 01:13:39,480
about that story with uh Bryce Sable and

1773
01:13:44,209 --> 01:13:40,679
uh an official from the government

1774
01:13:46,729 --> 01:13:44,219
coming to visit him about his TV show

1775
01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:46,739
that they were shooting what this this

1776
01:13:50,450 --> 01:13:48,300
show if you hadn't heard this Meredith

1777
01:13:52,669 --> 01:13:50,460
this show wasn't even out yet

1778
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:52,679
um they were just shooting it and and

1779
01:13:57,530 --> 01:13:56,159
editing and he came and said yeah you

1780
01:13:59,570 --> 01:13:57,540
know you've got some of this stuff right

1781
01:14:01,970 --> 01:13:59,580
some of it you don't but some of it you

1782
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:01,980
got really right and he came and wrote

1783
01:14:07,610 --> 01:14:05,040
some things out on a napkin about UFOs

1784
01:14:09,470 --> 01:14:07,620
and the and uh and and blew this guy

1785
01:14:11,410 --> 01:14:09,480
away and then literally disappeared it

1786
01:14:14,750 --> 01:14:11,420
was at a party

1787
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:14,760
so I I don't I think that there are

1788
01:14:19,370 --> 01:14:16,080
certain government officials who have

1789
01:14:20,810 --> 01:14:19,380
went in and visited uh with producers of

1790
01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:20,820
movies a lot of people say that

1791
01:14:26,149 --> 01:14:23,460
Spielberg uh had interactions I think

1792
01:14:27,890 --> 01:14:26,159
Deb and Nathan could probably name one

1793
01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:27,900
or two others that have had interactions

1794
01:14:33,649 --> 01:14:30,300
with government officials I don't think

1795
01:14:38,450 --> 01:14:33,659
that they have a direct uh institutional

1796
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:38,460
effect and uh on on Hollywood I think

1797
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:40,320
that there may be people who have tried

1798
01:14:44,990 --> 01:14:42,480
to press certain buttons at certain

1799
01:14:46,610 --> 01:14:45,000
times for certain reasons which we could

1800
01:14:48,590 --> 01:14:46,620
not be aware because we would have to

1801
01:14:51,530 --> 01:14:48,600
know what was on their plate and what

1802
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:51,540
their what their uh their mission was to

1803
01:14:56,270 --> 01:14:53,520
to know why they would approach a

1804
01:14:58,610 --> 01:14:56,280
Hollywood official a Hollywood uh uh

1805
01:15:01,729 --> 01:14:58,620
producer of some sort and and influence

1806
01:15:03,530 --> 01:15:01,739
them to project a certain narrative that

1807
01:15:07,130 --> 01:15:03,540
they thought would be helpful to

1808
01:15:10,189 --> 01:15:07,140
whatever outcome they wanted to see uh

1809
01:15:13,490 --> 01:15:10,199
regarding Ai and I think the rest of

1810
01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:13,500
what you were asking was uh how AI might

1811
01:15:17,149 --> 01:15:15,540
affect uh enter the entertainment

1812
01:15:19,610 --> 01:15:17,159
industry

1813
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:19,620
uh and what we see on TV was that it Deb

1814
01:15:26,390 --> 01:15:23,760
yeah like that seems to be sort of being

1815
01:15:28,490 --> 01:15:26,400
put like in the center of a lot of

1816
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:28,500
movies now

1817
01:15:35,209 --> 01:15:31,920
is that affecting our society

1818
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:35,219
you know I had a a guy that I teach yoga

1819
01:15:38,930 --> 01:15:37,440
at a gym and we just got a new Marine

1820
01:15:40,669 --> 01:15:38,940
Corps a guy who got out of the Marine

1821
01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:40,679
Corps and he's working at the gym on the

1822
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:43,620
the desk and he talked to me that one of

1823
01:15:51,410 --> 01:15:47,340
his friends was able to do a semester's

1824
01:15:54,649 --> 01:15:51,420
worth of work using chat GPT to write

1825
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:54,659
papers and I mean I can't say that I can

1826
01:16:01,310 --> 01:15:56,719
independently verify that this is true

1827
01:16:03,530 --> 01:16:01,320
but that is scary if if something like

1828
01:16:05,149 --> 01:16:03,540
that did happen uh and they were you

1829
01:16:06,950 --> 01:16:05,159
were able like in my school to go

1830
01:16:10,850 --> 01:16:06,960
through all the different modules and

1831
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:10,860
have chat GPT do all your chats that you

1832
01:16:15,229 --> 01:16:12,719
needed to do and then all your outlines

1833
01:16:18,169 --> 01:16:15,239
and your papers that's pretty scary but

1834
01:16:19,310 --> 01:16:18,179
in terms of uh entertainment

1835
01:16:22,370 --> 01:16:19,320
um

1836
01:16:24,770 --> 01:16:22,380
I I think that there is there is

1837
01:16:27,050 --> 01:16:24,780
potential to feed people more of what

1838
01:16:29,570 --> 01:16:27,060
they want and sometimes what people want

1839
01:16:32,149 --> 01:16:29,580
if you watch cable news is not

1840
01:16:35,630 --> 01:16:32,159
necessarily what is good for them they

1841
01:16:37,970 --> 01:16:35,640
want a reinforcement of what they

1842
01:16:41,209 --> 01:16:37,980
already believe and sometimes uh you'll

1843
01:16:43,610 --> 01:16:41,219
listen to somebody like um

1844
01:16:45,770 --> 01:16:43,620
um I can't remember his name now uh John

1845
01:16:47,870 --> 01:16:45,780
somebody he's a great historian that I

1846
01:16:50,330 --> 01:16:47,880
that I listened to his pop but he talks

1847
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:50,340
about these better angels and sometimes

1848
01:16:56,570 --> 01:16:52,320
what we want

1849
01:16:59,209 --> 01:16:56,580
um is not necessarily our better Angels

1850
01:17:01,070 --> 01:16:59,219
people sometimes like to eat red meat so

1851
01:17:03,290 --> 01:17:01,080
to speak and I don't I don't mean that

1852
01:17:04,669 --> 01:17:03,300
literally I mean it figuratively

1853
01:17:06,649 --> 01:17:04,679
so

1854
01:17:09,229 --> 01:17:06,659
um I'm not sure that AI would

1855
01:17:11,630 --> 01:17:09,239
necessarily be good in in that uh in

1856
01:17:15,050 --> 01:17:11,640
that way either I think what's beautiful

1857
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:15,060
about Humanity what makes us unique is

1858
01:17:22,430 --> 01:17:17,760
Art we've talked about that on this show

1859
01:17:25,149 --> 01:17:22,440
what Meredith is doing is Art uh when

1860
01:17:29,870 --> 01:17:25,159
you're doing photographs that's art

1861
01:17:33,470 --> 01:17:29,880
Nathan is doing art musicians is is Art

1862
01:17:34,370 --> 01:17:33,480
stage performers is Art storytellers is

1863
01:17:37,010 --> 01:17:34,380
art

1864
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:37,020
all of these things are what the

1865
01:17:41,450 --> 01:17:39,360
phenomenon can't do so why would you

1866
01:17:43,550 --> 01:17:41,460
want to seed that over to something that

1867
01:17:45,890 --> 01:17:43,560
only sees life through zeros and ones

1868
01:17:49,490 --> 01:17:45,900
and can only mimic

1869
01:17:52,010 --> 01:17:49,500
can only mimic what a human does

1870
01:17:53,630 --> 01:17:52,020
they can look like like we've talked

1871
01:17:56,090 --> 01:17:53,640
about it you could take you could take

1872
01:17:58,370 --> 01:17:56,100
an AI robot to you to to a U2 concert

1873
01:18:00,229 --> 01:17:58,380
and you can make it dance around and it

1874
01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:00,239
you could like you could make its face

1875
01:18:05,689 --> 01:18:03,120
smile and and can even maybe even move

1876
01:18:08,209 --> 01:18:05,699
to the music but you can't make it feel

1877
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:08,219
the music when I went to see you two in

1878
01:18:13,310 --> 01:18:10,800
87 and people cried you can't make it

1879
01:18:14,990 --> 01:18:13,320
cry unless it just goes oh that person

1880
01:18:18,050 --> 01:18:15,000
sitting next to me is crying I'm gonna

1881
01:18:19,630 --> 01:18:18,060
start to energize the tear ducts

1882
01:18:22,430 --> 01:18:19,640
so so so

1883
01:18:26,270 --> 01:18:22,440
AI would be the worst thing actually

1884
01:18:28,850 --> 01:18:26,280
probably because humanity is is

1885
01:18:30,770 --> 01:18:28,860
I I don't know if it's necessarily

1886
01:18:32,450 --> 01:18:30,780
exceptional and unique only that we know

1887
01:18:34,669 --> 01:18:32,460
just because we don't know there may be

1888
01:18:37,790 --> 01:18:34,679
another race of people out there that

1889
01:18:40,130 --> 01:18:37,800
also have art and music and and and have

1890
01:18:42,830 --> 01:18:40,140
uh what what Meredith alluded to at the

1891
01:18:44,930 --> 01:18:42,840
beginning which is the spirit that we

1892
01:18:46,850 --> 01:18:44,940
believe that when when Meredith's body

1893
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:46,860
is no longer here that her spirit will

1894
01:18:52,130 --> 01:18:49,920
continue you know and her her life force

1895
01:18:54,890 --> 01:18:52,140
her energy and will maybe go to another

1896
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:54,900
another body right so anyway that's

1897
01:18:58,850 --> 01:18:56,880
that's that's my opinion I'm sorry I

1898
01:19:01,729 --> 01:18:58,860
can't give you a really Smiley cabbie

1899
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:01,739
kind of a take on it but that's my take

1900
01:19:09,169 --> 01:19:04,560
money engaged machine smile

1901
01:19:13,810 --> 01:19:11,750
when you do these jokes you're pester is

1902
01:19:16,910 --> 01:19:13,820
showing just so you know

1903
01:19:19,790 --> 01:19:16,920
the dad jokes like that's totally youth

1904
01:19:24,590 --> 01:19:19,800
faster material no it's uh you got me

1905
01:19:26,270 --> 01:19:24,600
totally yeah guilty um yeah okay so uh

1906
01:19:28,970 --> 01:19:26,280
man where do I want to go with this so

1907
01:19:31,390 --> 01:19:28,980
attention is our our culture has

1908
01:19:34,910 --> 01:19:31,400
incentivized attention like attention

1909
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:34,920
translates into dollars right so I think

1910
01:19:41,149 --> 01:19:38,880
that uh we in a way have an opportunity

1911
01:19:43,970 --> 01:19:41,159
with AI to

1912
01:19:46,370 --> 01:19:43,980
like build into it this is why it's so

1913
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:46,380
important that we really take some time

1914
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:48,480
be thoughtful with it right because we

1915
01:19:54,110 --> 01:19:51,120
have an ability to to kind of train it

1916
01:19:57,530 --> 01:19:54,120
to help us be the best that we want to

1917
01:19:59,330 --> 01:19:57,540
be not appeal to our lesser nature right

1918
01:20:01,490 --> 01:19:59,340
and I think that that's if we just

1919
01:20:04,189 --> 01:20:01,500
unleash it into the world that we

1920
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:04,199
currently have created for ourselves uh

1921
01:20:09,530 --> 01:20:06,000
we're only going to get more of the same

1922
01:20:13,370 --> 01:20:09,540
but to the nth degree of the same

1923
01:20:16,070 --> 01:20:13,380
um and you know we we can structure all

1924
01:20:18,890 --> 01:20:16,080
this to where it incentivizes Us in in

1925
01:20:20,890 --> 01:20:18,900
better ways to do better things for not

1926
01:20:24,590 --> 01:20:20,900
only for ourselves but for each other

1927
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:24,600
and our our entertainment uh our media

1928
01:20:29,390 --> 01:20:27,600
all these things right now are designed

1929
01:20:31,430 --> 01:20:29,400
along the lines of things you guys have

1930
01:20:34,430 --> 01:20:31,440
already touched on that's you know fear

1931
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:34,440
of motivation that's uh you know keeping

1932
01:20:39,290 --> 01:20:36,239
up with somebody else you know sort of

1933
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:39,300
trying to maintain your social status uh

1934
01:20:43,850 --> 01:20:42,480
because that is power our society you

1935
01:20:46,189 --> 01:20:43,860
know etc etc

1936
01:20:48,530 --> 01:20:46,199
if we shift that if we could kind of

1937
01:20:49,970 --> 01:20:48,540
take the reins here and kind of create a

1938
01:20:51,770 --> 01:20:49,980
new incentive structure and we have an

1939
01:20:53,870 --> 01:20:51,780
opportunity to really make some I think

1940
01:20:54,590 --> 01:20:53,880
fundamental and amazing changes in the

1941
01:20:57,530 --> 01:20:54,600
world

1942
01:20:59,390 --> 01:20:57,540
uh but if we don't if we're not careful

1943
01:21:01,310 --> 01:20:59,400
I don't see that happening I just see

1944
01:21:02,990 --> 01:21:01,320
that we're going to end up in a in a

1945
01:21:05,870 --> 01:21:03,000
more kind of dystopic version of where

1946
01:21:07,490 --> 01:21:05,880
we are now at least in the near term and

1947
01:21:09,490 --> 01:21:07,500
and maybe this is what it's like quite

1948
01:21:12,530 --> 01:21:09,500
quite frankly I mean some have said that

1949
01:21:15,229 --> 01:21:12,540
uh one of the great filters if you've

1950
01:21:17,870 --> 01:21:15,239
heard that concept the great filter is

1951
01:21:21,229 --> 01:21:17,880
essentially like an event in a

1952
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:21,239
in a civilizations uh life cycle that

1953
01:21:26,270 --> 01:21:24,600
they either get through and get past or

1954
01:21:28,970 --> 01:21:26,280
they can't get through and get past it

1955
01:21:31,550 --> 01:21:28,980
and they die so a great filter moment

1956
01:21:33,830 --> 01:21:31,560
could be like a nuclear apocalypse you

1957
01:21:36,410 --> 01:21:33,840
know but it's similarly a great filter

1958
01:21:38,330 --> 01:21:36,420
could be like getting through this AI

1959
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:38,340
transition right so if we can navigate

1960
01:21:42,350 --> 01:21:40,800
this and it will be bumpy and

1961
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:42,360
challenging and and they'll be maybe

1962
01:21:47,330 --> 01:21:44,400
even Generations that struggle with how

1963
01:21:49,370 --> 01:21:47,340
to integrate this powerful tool with who

1964
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:49,380
we are but if we can get out on the

1965
01:21:54,830 --> 01:21:52,080
other side of that it has this you know

1966
01:21:56,209 --> 01:21:54,840
immense potential to be you know to

1967
01:21:57,950 --> 01:21:56,219
transform everything everything about

1968
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:57,960
who we are and kind of almost basically

1969
01:22:02,870 --> 01:22:00,000
they give birth to a new

1970
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:02,880
species you know you think about the

1971
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:05,280
phenomenon maybe that's where they

1972
01:22:09,649 --> 01:22:07,199
already are maybe they have gone through

1973
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:09,659
the same kind of transition or at least

1974
01:22:13,610 --> 01:22:11,280
some of them anyway and have come out on

1975
01:22:15,770 --> 01:22:13,620
the other end and the things that they

1976
01:22:18,110 --> 01:22:15,780
can do in terms of how they interface

1977
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:18,120
with us appear to us like magic but it's

1978
01:22:22,729 --> 01:22:21,120
really just you know kind of the end

1979
01:22:24,830 --> 01:22:22,739
point of some of their technological

1980
01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:24,840
advancement

1981
01:22:29,209 --> 01:22:27,420
um I don't know I I don't like the idea

1982
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:29,219
that the government is you know kind of

1983
01:22:32,689 --> 01:22:31,679
puppet mastering the the citizenry I

1984
01:22:34,970 --> 01:22:32,699
think that

1985
01:22:36,410 --> 01:22:34,980
DJ to your point they're not like oh

1986
01:22:38,630 --> 01:22:36,420
wait they're not in the director's chair

1987
01:22:41,209 --> 01:22:38,640
you know calling the shots

1988
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:41,219
um but at the same time it is true that

1989
01:22:45,770 --> 01:22:43,520
our our media Outlets you know they have

1990
01:22:47,390 --> 01:22:45,780
contacts they have sources you know and

1991
01:22:48,890 --> 01:22:47,400
those sources are in the government and

1992
01:22:51,590 --> 01:22:48,900
if the government wants them to talk

1993
01:22:53,390 --> 01:22:51,600
about a story they're going to call that

1994
01:22:55,970 --> 01:22:53,400
media outlet and say I've got a scoop

1995
01:22:57,950 --> 01:22:55,980
for you that you know your competitor

1996
01:22:59,810 --> 01:22:57,960
doesn't have and you can either run with

1997
01:23:01,970 --> 01:22:59,820
this story and be the first to break it

1998
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:01,980
or I'm gonna go call them and they're

1999
01:23:05,990 --> 01:23:04,320
going to break the story you know so

2000
01:23:08,090 --> 01:23:06,000
it's there is a little bit of that

2001
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:08,100
gaming happening there depending on

2002
01:23:12,890 --> 01:23:10,320
which Administration you know wants to

2003
01:23:14,209 --> 01:23:12,900
talk to which audience and upplay you

2004
01:23:16,729 --> 01:23:14,219
know and it's kind of if you think about

2005
01:23:18,110 --> 01:23:16,739
it it's kind of grotesque right I mean

2006
01:23:20,090 --> 01:23:18,120
there are just many aspects of our

2007
01:23:21,649 --> 01:23:20,100
culture that I think are kind of out of

2008
01:23:24,229 --> 01:23:21,659
whack out of shape you know that we we

2009
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:24,239
need to we need to reform and many of us

2010
01:23:28,729 --> 01:23:26,880
feel helpless to do so right so maybe AI

2011
01:23:31,310 --> 01:23:28,739
if we kind of say hey help us out like

2012
01:23:32,750 --> 01:23:31,320
we we are basically powerless to do this

2013
01:23:35,330 --> 01:23:32,760
on our own

2014
01:23:36,890 --> 01:23:35,340
we need you who can understand how to

2015
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:36,900
manipulate us better than anything else

2016
01:23:41,209 --> 01:23:38,880
to like kind of steer us in a direction

2017
01:23:43,790 --> 01:23:41,219
that we really want to go are

2018
01:23:46,189 --> 01:23:43,800
aspirational goals

2019
01:23:49,490 --> 01:23:46,199
that that I I love it because I've been

2020
01:23:52,610 --> 01:23:49,500
put in this half this GLA half empty

2021
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:52,620
glass and Nathan's half full uh and I

2022
01:23:57,229 --> 01:23:54,960
love it and I I hope that everything you

2023
01:23:59,390 --> 01:23:57,239
just said is correct the problem is it

2024
01:24:02,990 --> 01:23:59,400
requires a morality that that

2025
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:03,000
potentially it is not able to to have

2026
01:24:07,370 --> 01:24:05,520
sure or who's morality right I mean

2027
01:24:10,010 --> 01:24:07,380
right if I'm programming it you know is

2028
01:24:12,110 --> 01:24:10,020
it Nathan's ethics is it DJs ethics you

2029
01:24:14,330 --> 01:24:12,120
know how do you decide these things and

2030
01:24:16,850 --> 01:24:14,340
I want to say we have to add the other

2031
01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:16,860
level that there have been people who

2032
01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:18,960
come out from the government saying they

2033
01:24:24,530 --> 01:24:21,900
were hired to influence the media they

2034
01:24:26,689 --> 01:24:24,540
were hired to influence scripts there's

2035
01:24:28,970 --> 01:24:26,699
people who like there's an article about

2036
01:24:30,770 --> 01:24:28,980
how contact was changed by the

2037
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:30,780
government they changed some of the

2038
01:24:36,590 --> 01:24:33,840
script so are they influencing that

2039
01:24:40,370 --> 01:24:36,600
story so okay it's Meredith

2040
01:24:42,350 --> 01:24:40,380
yeah go ahead uh I have two pre-thoughts

2041
01:24:44,930 --> 01:24:42,360
and one of them is if we were handing

2042
01:24:47,090 --> 01:24:44,940
out awards for like the best wrap-up

2043
01:24:50,810 --> 01:24:47,100
question Deb like you would have the

2044
01:24:53,570 --> 01:24:50,820
award because Holy balls Batman

2045
01:24:56,270 --> 01:24:53,580
um and then my second thought is like

2046
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:56,280
never have I ever been a guest on a

2047
01:25:01,550 --> 01:24:59,280
podcast where I took notes so I have a

2048
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:01,560
full page thank you very much

2049
01:25:06,229 --> 01:25:02,719
um

2050
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:06,239
okay so to tackle Deb's question

2051
01:25:11,930 --> 01:25:06,960
um

2052
01:25:15,550 --> 01:25:11,940
I do I I disagree with DJ that I do

2053
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:15,560
think that the media and government

2054
01:25:20,090 --> 01:25:18,239
are in bed together

2055
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:20,100
um my husband has more graphic ways to

2056
01:25:25,970 --> 01:25:24,130
um

2057
01:25:28,550 --> 01:25:25,980
yeah

2058
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:28,560
um and we know this because

2059
01:25:32,570 --> 01:25:30,239
um it's very obvious when you look at

2060
01:25:35,450 --> 01:25:32,580
other countries movies and you're like

2061
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:35,460
that is obviously propaganda and then

2062
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:37,920
you're like oh right we've done the same

2063
01:25:43,550 --> 01:25:41,040
thing Top Gun for example

2064
01:25:46,250 --> 01:25:43,560
um I'll also think about who is the

2065
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:46,260
enemy in every movie The Russians the

2066
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:50,239
Iranians the afghanis like they other

2067
01:25:55,610 --> 01:25:53,280
different people groups so that it

2068
01:25:59,209 --> 01:25:55,620
strengthens military efforts and

2069
01:26:03,110 --> 01:25:59,219
justifies tax dollars unpopular opinion

2070
01:26:05,870 --> 01:26:03,120
um and when we we do see this in

2071
01:26:09,950 --> 01:26:05,880
um UFO related movies as well right I

2072
01:26:13,250 --> 01:26:09,960
mean Project Blue [\h__\h] like and um and

2073
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:13,260
you know to Gaslight citizens who had

2074
01:26:18,830 --> 01:26:16,800
genuine experiences and we're we're not

2075
01:26:21,649 --> 01:26:18,840
even we haven't even gone over that

2076
01:26:25,790 --> 01:26:21,659
hurdle yet for our U.S military members

2077
01:26:27,950 --> 01:26:25,800
who are you know supposedly encouraged

2078
01:26:30,770 --> 01:26:27,960
to like report these things now they're

2079
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:30,780
still trying to navigate through these

2080
01:26:37,129 --> 01:26:33,120
murky Waters of stigma

2081
01:26:40,330 --> 01:26:37,139
so I totally agree that there is some

2082
01:26:43,550 --> 01:26:40,340
behind the curtains communication

2083
01:26:47,629 --> 01:26:43,560
at its at its lowest

2084
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:47,639
as far as Ai and society and media and

2085
01:26:54,590 --> 01:26:50,960
the next step of our human evolution

2086
01:26:56,450 --> 01:26:54,600
I would love to ask the question what

2087
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:56,460
problem are we solving for

2088
01:27:01,070 --> 01:26:59,040
because when I think about

2089
01:27:05,149 --> 01:27:01,080
what does it mean to advance as a

2090
01:27:07,610 --> 01:27:05,159
society it doesn't mean that a robot

2091
01:27:11,689 --> 01:27:07,620
drives my freaking car

2092
01:27:14,750 --> 01:27:11,699
it means that we solve the problem of

2093
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:14,760
our evolutionary mismatch right yeah

2094
01:27:20,149 --> 01:27:18,000
let's solve cancer let's cure cancer but

2095
01:27:24,050 --> 01:27:20,159
why is no one asking what causes cancer

2096
01:27:26,390 --> 01:27:24,060
right like yeah let's let's tackle gun

2097
01:27:29,930 --> 01:27:26,400
violence in the United States but why is

2098
01:27:32,570 --> 01:27:29,940
no one asking why this is so common and

2099
01:27:34,189 --> 01:27:32,580
let's look at causality and not just

2100
01:27:37,370 --> 01:27:34,199
like

2101
01:27:40,310 --> 01:27:37,380
um consumer our way into a solution and

2102
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:40,320
I feel like AI is just a real shiny

2103
01:27:45,649 --> 01:27:43,199
thing not just but I feel like it's more

2104
01:27:47,390 --> 01:27:45,659
of a shiny thing and so as Americans

2105
01:27:49,129 --> 01:27:47,400
were and I don't think it's just an

2106
01:27:51,950 --> 01:27:49,139
American thing but that definitely As

2107
01:27:54,110 --> 01:27:51,960
Americans we are biased towards shiny

2108
01:27:55,729 --> 01:27:54,120
things and so we're like oh yes well and

2109
01:27:58,669 --> 01:27:55,739
plus we get to be number one as America

2110
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:58,679
we love it to be number one USA USA you

2111
01:28:02,930 --> 01:27:59,760
know we've been chanting that for so

2112
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:02,940
long we can't hear anything else and I

2113
01:28:07,910 --> 01:28:05,520
think that if um we kind of take a pause

2114
01:28:10,370 --> 01:28:07,920
and

2115
01:28:13,070 --> 01:28:10,380
to create some intention

2116
01:28:15,550 --> 01:28:13,080
around what problem we're solving for it

2117
01:28:18,410 --> 01:28:15,560
will lead to some unpopular next steps

2118
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:18,420
especially in the areas of technology

2119
01:28:23,229 --> 01:28:22,080
and um and like emfs and you know we

2120
01:28:26,450 --> 01:28:23,239
have this

2121
01:28:27,649 --> 01:28:26,460
uh continual more and more more internet

2122
01:28:34,310 --> 01:28:27,659
more

2123
01:28:36,530 --> 01:28:34,320
what if we have like digital free zones

2124
01:28:38,689 --> 01:28:36,540
what if there's just green spaces where

2125
01:28:41,689 --> 01:28:38,699
Wi-Fi doesn't work there's a reason that

2126
01:28:44,090 --> 01:28:41,699
camping feels so good you know like how

2127
01:28:45,890 --> 01:28:44,100
do we reconnect as earthlings it doesn't

2128
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:45,900
do we really have to send a man to space

2129
01:28:52,010 --> 01:28:49,520
to know that human bodies are our best

2130
01:28:53,810 --> 01:28:52,020
oriented on Earth because of the you

2131
01:28:56,030 --> 01:28:53,820
know the electrical whatever Seven

2132
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:56,040
Something megahertz that the Earth gives

2133
01:28:59,930 --> 01:28:57,120
off

2134
01:29:02,629 --> 01:28:59,940
um I just think that AI can be a

2135
01:29:04,610 --> 01:29:02,639
distraction and advancement air quote

2136
01:29:06,729 --> 01:29:04,620
advancement can be a distraction like

2137
01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:06,739
let's talk about why we get Alzheimer's

2138
01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:10,320
instead of just trying to literally plug

2139
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:13,920
in ourselves to solve it so that's my

2140
01:29:17,629 --> 01:29:15,120
take

2141
01:29:19,490 --> 01:29:17,639
that's that's a great point I'm sorry

2142
01:29:20,689 --> 01:29:19,500
yeah I mean well I think I I just want

2143
01:29:23,390 --> 01:29:20,699
to Echo what you're saying we can get

2144
01:29:25,790 --> 01:29:23,400
distracted by the pyrotechnics a lot of

2145
01:29:27,530 --> 01:29:25,800
our technology and not solving the root

2146
01:29:29,270 --> 01:29:27,540
cause of our condition

2147
01:29:31,970 --> 01:29:29,280
and

2148
01:29:34,129 --> 01:29:31,980
um if I guess I'm I'm of the opinion if

2149
01:29:36,590 --> 01:29:34,139
we can somehow hack our way to getting

2150
01:29:38,629 --> 01:29:36,600
us to behave better by using the thing

2151
01:29:40,669 --> 01:29:38,639
that we're already enslaved to maybe we

2152
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:40,679
should try to do that because everything

2153
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:42,480
else we've tried isn't working now I

2154
01:29:47,510 --> 01:29:44,400
love the idea of

2155
01:29:49,370 --> 01:29:47,520
you know kind of imposed digital free

2156
01:29:51,290 --> 01:29:49,380
zones I think that's incredible and

2157
01:29:54,830 --> 01:29:51,300
that's what we call Forest right but you

2158
01:29:57,050 --> 01:29:54,840
know like a forest around us we have

2159
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:57,060
starlink blasting us with Wi-Fi this is

2160
01:30:03,770 --> 01:30:00,719
my point you can't right we have to

2161
01:30:08,090 --> 01:30:03,780
um I think some of this technological uh

2162
01:30:10,610 --> 01:30:08,100
development is like the the the digital

2163
01:30:13,970 --> 01:30:10,620
version of processed foods it's highly

2164
01:30:16,790 --> 01:30:13,980
palatable and completely addictive and

2165
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:16,800
so we have to think about like how our

2166
01:30:21,350 --> 01:30:18,719
ancient brains because our brains are

2167
01:30:23,990 --> 01:30:21,360
still really freaking old right and we

2168
01:30:26,629 --> 01:30:24,000
are biased towards dopamine experiences

2169
01:30:28,250 --> 01:30:26,639
and so we that's why we like negative

2170
01:30:31,430 --> 01:30:28,260
[\h__\h] is because we're like yeah there's

2171
01:30:34,370 --> 01:30:31,440
a problem I'm gonna solve it and you

2172
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:34,380
know no one it's because in our you know

2173
01:30:38,570 --> 01:30:36,480
our tribal selves we needed to remember

2174
01:30:40,310 --> 01:30:38,580
the negative in order to stay alive but

2175
01:30:43,850 --> 01:30:40,320
now we're just fighting on Twitter so

2176
01:30:45,950 --> 01:30:43,860
yeah no you're right I love it it's an

2177
01:30:47,390 --> 01:30:45,960
animating fact sure yeah speaking of

2178
01:30:48,890 --> 01:30:47,400
processed foods Nathan can you take

2179
01:30:51,890 --> 01:30:48,900
those fish sticks out of the oven please

2180
01:30:54,350 --> 01:30:51,900
yes well and also uh while I'm doing

2181
01:30:57,470 --> 01:30:54,360
that we have to ask the question potato

2182
01:30:59,330 --> 01:30:57,480
chip question before I do because I have

2183
01:31:02,209 --> 01:30:59,340
a topic for you I know you do it'll be

2184
01:31:05,090 --> 01:31:02,219
quick but but but yes uh so

2185
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:05,100
Meredith uh first of all if you have a

2186
01:31:10,910 --> 01:31:07,199
PhD you'll be in one side of the study

2187
01:31:13,310 --> 01:31:10,920
with the phds like Dr pasoka and Dr Jeff

2188
01:31:15,950 --> 01:31:13,320
[\h__\h] oh we got to get Dr Masters

2189
01:31:19,310 --> 01:31:15,960
women ask him yet uh and a couple other

2190
01:31:21,290 --> 01:31:19,320
phds we've spoken with Dr Gary Nolan but

2191
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:21,300
if you're not a PHA you'll be with me

2192
01:31:27,890 --> 01:31:24,960
Nathan Debs and US regular peoples right

2193
01:31:31,970 --> 01:31:27,900
um so in terms of potato chips

2194
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:31,980
do you geared toward a sea salt potato

2195
01:31:38,390 --> 01:31:34,320
chip either with ridges or without

2196
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:38,400
ridges or are you headed towards a

2197
01:31:43,070 --> 01:31:40,800
seasoned potato chip of one sort or

2198
01:31:46,010 --> 01:31:43,080
another please ma'am

2199
01:31:47,930 --> 01:31:46,020
wow

2200
01:31:50,470 --> 01:31:47,940
um I

2201
01:31:55,570 --> 01:31:50,480
avoid seed oils

2202
01:31:57,890 --> 01:31:55,580
so it really limits my chip selection so

2203
01:32:00,950 --> 01:31:57,900
because mine has lava is fried in

2204
01:32:03,470 --> 01:32:00,960
avocado oil oh Canyon okay it's at Whole

2205
01:32:05,030 --> 01:32:03,480
Foods so oh we don't have that here is

2206
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:05,040
that a fruit avocado is technically a

2207
01:32:08,510 --> 01:32:06,239
fruit right is that right am I right

2208
01:32:11,810 --> 01:32:08,520
about that well avocado is a stable fat

2209
01:32:14,750 --> 01:32:11,820
so it would be less likely to oxidize so

2210
01:32:18,530 --> 01:32:14,760
and oxidization equals inflammation yeah

2211
01:32:20,870 --> 01:32:18,540
so yeah so bad stuff bad

2212
01:32:23,930 --> 01:32:20,880
um yeah I like to eat my carbs in the

2213
01:32:25,910 --> 01:32:23,940
form of chocolate so I would answer this

2214
01:32:28,010 --> 01:32:25,920
question if I was like on Miss America

2215
01:32:32,810 --> 01:32:28,020
Stage I would go with a chocolate

2216
01:32:37,330 --> 01:32:32,820
covered non-seed oil salty ass chip nice

2217
01:32:42,649 --> 01:32:40,550
yeah like nobody has mentioned a

2218
01:32:44,930 --> 01:32:42,659
chocolate covered potato chip I'm

2219
01:32:46,510 --> 01:32:44,940
rethinking my entire life after the show

2220
01:32:52,790 --> 01:32:46,520
yeah um

2221
01:32:56,330 --> 01:32:54,350
um and I just want to mention one thing

2222
01:32:57,890 --> 01:32:56,340
about the topic that we discussed a

2223
01:33:00,709 --> 01:32:57,900
little earlier because I want to point

2224
01:33:04,430 --> 01:33:00,719
to Dr Michael Masters

2225
01:33:07,430 --> 01:33:04,440
um he is at Morpho time on Twitter

2226
01:33:10,430 --> 01:33:07,440
Meredith and we've had him on he is a

2227
01:33:12,649 --> 01:33:10,440
blast too he's a hoot and he has the and

2228
01:33:15,350 --> 01:33:12,659
you guys I might need Deb and Nathan to

2229
01:33:17,629 --> 01:33:15,360
help me out here but basically that

2230
01:33:19,850 --> 01:33:17,639
their time traveler that that uh he

2231
01:33:21,950 --> 01:33:19,860
believes that there's at least a portion

2232
01:33:24,410 --> 01:33:21,960
of the phenomenon that are Time

2233
01:33:26,990 --> 01:33:24,420
Travelers that their future us

2234
01:33:30,830 --> 01:33:27,000
and one of the reasons that they are

2235
01:33:33,110 --> 01:33:30,840
harvesting uh biology from us is due to

2236
01:33:36,590 --> 01:33:33,120
a declining birth rate and he's talking

2237
01:33:38,750 --> 01:33:36,600
about that the U.S the the birth rate is

2238
01:33:41,330 --> 01:33:38,760
declined I can't remember the percentage

2239
01:33:44,510 --> 01:33:41,340
that he said in the 40 upper 40

2240
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:44,520
percentile and I actually just did I had

2241
01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:46,880
on for the high school podcast I had on

2242
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:49,199
a couple of the students that are there

2243
01:33:53,390 --> 01:33:51,600
now and when they said there's only 500

2244
01:33:56,270 --> 01:33:53,400
kids in the school we thought that it

2245
01:33:59,209 --> 01:33:56,280
was a small one there was 800 when I was

2246
01:34:01,370 --> 01:33:59,219
there and now there's 500 so I I don't

2247
01:34:04,129 --> 01:34:01,380
know declining birth rate so I I don't

2248
01:34:07,850 --> 01:34:04,139
know what all that advancement or what

2249
01:34:11,810 --> 01:34:07,860
the future us that they may have trouble

2250
01:34:14,090 --> 01:34:11,820
with relations with procreation with all

2251
01:34:15,950 --> 01:34:14,100
these things I mean there's at least a

2252
01:34:20,209 --> 01:34:15,960
theory out there it could be nothing

2253
01:34:23,149 --> 01:34:20,219
more than just a hypothesis but it it is

2254
01:34:24,890 --> 01:34:23,159
at least explained by the fact that that

2255
01:34:28,010 --> 01:34:24,900
a lot of women report that they have

2256
01:34:29,629 --> 01:34:28,020
taken taken different P parts of their

2257
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:29,639
biology that they think would be

2258
01:34:35,390 --> 01:34:33,600
necessary to either procreate which then

2259
01:34:38,510 --> 01:34:35,400
other people are seeing humanoid types

2260
01:34:40,450 --> 01:34:38,520
and then also uh the possibility of

2261
01:34:43,250 --> 01:34:40,460
making a hybrid being where it's

2262
01:34:45,169 --> 01:34:43,260
electromechanical but it has maybe a a

2263
01:34:47,510 --> 01:34:45,179
biological brain because they don't have

2264
01:34:50,450 --> 01:34:47,520
Consciousness so I'm a little worried

2265
01:34:51,950 --> 01:34:50,460
about or worried about that aspect can I

2266
01:34:55,070 --> 01:34:51,960
um chime in on this yes ma'am please

2267
01:34:58,250 --> 01:34:55,080
please do so I do speak to people who

2268
01:35:00,830 --> 01:34:58,260
treat experiencers quite a lot of them

2269
01:35:02,750 --> 01:35:00,840
and apparently this there's a shift away

2270
01:35:05,689 --> 01:35:02,760
from that

2271
01:35:07,970 --> 01:35:05,699
um so that's a new update that I was

2272
01:35:09,770 --> 01:35:07,980
told from someone who's probably spoken

2273
01:35:12,649 --> 01:35:09,780
to like thousands of experiencers at

2274
01:35:14,570 --> 01:35:12,659
this point apparently the new issue is

2275
01:35:15,470 --> 01:35:14,580
just us trying to take care of the

2276
01:35:19,390 --> 01:35:15,480
planet

2277
01:35:21,890 --> 01:35:19,400
so if there was a biological imperative

2278
01:35:24,590 --> 01:35:21,900
apparently they've got what they need at

2279
01:35:26,990 --> 01:35:24,600
this point and and honestly if they if

2280
01:35:29,390 --> 01:35:27,000
they could create biological

2281
01:35:31,729 --> 01:35:29,400
robots which is what people think they

2282
01:35:34,070 --> 01:35:31,739
might be they probably never really

2283
01:35:35,390 --> 01:35:34,080
needed it for for them for themselves

2284
01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:35,400
they probably needed it for something

2285
01:35:40,669 --> 01:35:37,520
else but that's that's a whole nother

2286
01:35:42,830 --> 01:35:40,679
conversation yeah it's a lot of probably

2287
01:35:45,830 --> 01:35:42,840
in there yeah we have no idea but we

2288
01:35:47,689 --> 01:35:45,840
just know we know that they we we knew

2289
01:35:49,010 --> 01:35:47,699
other people said they've taken it we

2290
01:35:50,270 --> 01:35:49,020
don't know why they're taking it

2291
01:35:53,330 --> 01:35:50,280
everything after that we're just

2292
01:35:54,890 --> 01:35:53,340
speculating but it it at least it's safe

2293
01:35:57,110 --> 01:35:54,900
to say there's something in that that

2294
01:35:58,970 --> 01:35:57,120
they think we have that they don't have

2295
01:36:02,149 --> 01:35:58,980
or they wouldn't need to get it from us

2296
01:36:04,010 --> 01:36:02,159
that's the that's the the Apex of what I

2297
01:36:06,050 --> 01:36:04,020
can speculate unless somebody has

2298
01:36:07,550 --> 01:36:06,060
actually you know these people that have

2299
01:36:09,470 --> 01:36:07,560
interacted with them and asked these

2300
01:36:10,550 --> 01:36:09,480
questions you know so

2301
01:36:12,310 --> 01:36:10,560
um here's my question because it

2302
01:36:14,570 --> 01:36:12,320
actually goes right into this and and

2303
01:36:16,490 --> 01:36:14,580
Nathan is going to think that I'm

2304
01:36:19,550 --> 01:36:16,500
totally stealing the ball here and

2305
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:19,560
running down towards his goal but it's

2306
01:36:24,290 --> 01:36:21,840
uh because this is a hypothesis that

2307
01:36:26,629 --> 01:36:24,300
Nathan had and I've sort of shifted it

2308
01:36:28,490 --> 01:36:26,639
around because when I thought what topic

2309
01:36:31,310 --> 01:36:28,500
am I going to present for you guys it

2310
01:36:34,430 --> 01:36:31,320
has to be something that's on my mind

2311
01:36:37,070 --> 01:36:34,440
um and because of stuff that Deb's

2312
01:36:39,350 --> 01:36:37,080
hearing from people that that have uh

2313
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:39,360
downloads that Nathan's hearing that

2314
01:36:44,209 --> 01:36:42,719
other friends of ours as well uh brought

2315
01:36:46,250 --> 01:36:44,219
in this question so

2316
01:36:49,490 --> 01:36:46,260
the question is and I'm starting with

2317
01:36:52,490 --> 01:36:49,500
Nathan what could should

2318
01:36:54,649 --> 01:36:52,500
the evolution process be

2319
01:36:57,530 --> 01:36:54,659
the evaluation process I'm sorry the

2320
01:37:00,410 --> 01:36:57,540
evaluation process B for an individual

2321
01:37:04,010 --> 01:37:00,420
who receives downloads or has

2322
01:37:07,669 --> 01:37:04,020
Communications with the phenomenon and

2323
01:37:10,129 --> 01:37:07,679
what their potential motives might be so

2324
01:37:12,290 --> 01:37:10,139
to to try to put that in layman's just

2325
01:37:13,910 --> 01:37:12,300
normal conversation terms

2326
01:37:16,189 --> 01:37:13,920
Nathan

2327
01:37:18,110 --> 01:37:16,199
um what process should a person go

2328
01:37:21,770 --> 01:37:18,120
through when they're being told

2329
01:37:26,149 --> 01:37:21,780
something to evaluate what the motives

2330
01:37:28,010 --> 01:37:26,159
are of that intelligence that nhi that

2331
01:37:30,050 --> 01:37:28,020
they're communicating with

2332
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:30,060
and what the motives might be

2333
01:37:34,370 --> 01:37:32,880
yeah and this is this is a tough one

2334
01:37:35,330 --> 01:37:34,380
right so

2335
01:37:38,570 --> 01:37:35,340
um

2336
01:37:40,129 --> 01:37:38,580
I've I've been with people who've had

2337
01:37:43,330 --> 01:37:40,139
these experiences who've had these

2338
01:37:46,910 --> 01:37:43,340
downloads and have been told things that

2339
01:37:49,250 --> 01:37:46,920
there's a strong compulsion right that

2340
01:37:50,990 --> 01:37:49,260
whatever they're told is is happening is

2341
01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:51,000
going to happen there's an imminence to

2342
01:37:54,229 --> 01:37:52,560
it really

2343
01:37:56,570 --> 01:37:54,239
um which is often why you see that

2344
01:37:58,129 --> 01:37:56,580
people like Chris Bledsoe who you know

2345
01:37:59,689 --> 01:37:58,139
Meredith as you said earlier seems like

2346
01:38:02,330 --> 01:37:59,699
a pretty humble guy who doesn't really

2347
01:38:04,669 --> 01:38:02,340
want to say things but he feels like he

2348
01:38:08,330 --> 01:38:04,679
has to say things so there's there's

2349
01:38:11,270 --> 01:38:08,340
this I don't know

2350
01:38:13,729 --> 01:38:11,280
Catalyst in a way that occurs when when

2351
01:38:17,149 --> 01:38:13,739
they have an experienced light like this

2352
01:38:20,689 --> 01:38:17,159
but I think the key here is

2353
01:38:22,790 --> 01:38:20,699
to sit with it right so whatever you've

2354
01:38:24,530 --> 01:38:22,800
downloaded if you think that's that as

2355
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:24,540
what have has happened to you it's

2356
01:38:29,450 --> 01:38:26,400
important to I think sit with that

2357
01:38:31,910 --> 01:38:29,460
message and explore the Contours of what

2358
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:31,920
it is and and how you understand it it's

2359
01:38:36,770 --> 01:38:33,840
it's in a way like to use something that

2360
01:38:39,530 --> 01:38:36,780
most people might think about is like a

2361
01:38:40,850 --> 01:38:39,540
dream interpretation right so I've had a

2362
01:38:43,550 --> 01:38:40,860
dream and all these weird things

2363
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:43,560
happened like does it mean that you know

2364
01:38:48,290 --> 01:38:46,560
a giraffe is going to show up like with

2365
01:38:49,729 --> 01:38:48,300
a crossbow in the morning in front of my

2366
01:38:51,050 --> 01:38:49,739
front lawn no like what does that mean

2367
01:38:52,669 --> 01:38:51,060
you know you said yeah it's a strange

2368
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:52,679
thing I just came up with that but you

2369
01:38:56,689 --> 01:38:54,960
get my idea here like there we think of

2370
01:38:58,550 --> 01:38:56,699
these like dreams in a metaphorical

2371
01:39:00,890 --> 01:38:58,560
sense right and we we interpret our

2372
01:39:02,750 --> 01:39:00,900
dreams through our own experiences and

2373
01:39:05,629 --> 01:39:02,760
what things like symbolize you know this

2374
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:05,639
for me symbolizes whatever that is so I

2375
01:39:08,990 --> 01:39:07,199
would encourage people to do the same

2376
01:39:10,910 --> 01:39:09,000
exercise that if you had a download

2377
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,920
where you've received a message sit with

2378
01:39:15,050 --> 01:39:12,719
it for a little while and go through it

2379
01:39:16,790 --> 01:39:15,060
and think about it from not just your

2380
01:39:19,129 --> 01:39:16,800
initial reaction to it and what you

2381
01:39:21,530 --> 01:39:19,139
think it means but how it also might be

2382
01:39:24,050 --> 01:39:21,540
interpreted from different perspectives

2383
01:39:26,149 --> 01:39:24,060
right so that's just the bare minimum do

2384
01:39:28,490 --> 01:39:26,159
that okay go through a different

2385
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:28,500
analysis you know kind of try to look at

2386
01:39:31,910 --> 01:39:30,480
it from different Vantage points but

2387
01:39:33,709 --> 01:39:31,920
beyond that this is what we've talked

2388
01:39:35,570 --> 01:39:33,719
about forever DJ

2389
01:39:37,790 --> 01:39:35,580
you know can you trust any of these

2390
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:37,800
messages right I mean I don't know I

2391
01:39:42,530 --> 01:39:39,840
really don't know the there's no way to

2392
01:39:44,750 --> 01:39:42,540
know the answer to that if if some sort

2393
01:39:46,850 --> 01:39:44,760
of intelligence is communicating with us

2394
01:39:48,110 --> 01:39:46,860
in this way that we don't understand and

2395
01:39:50,209 --> 01:39:48,120
we're not having a kind of a

2396
01:39:52,189 --> 01:39:50,219
bi-directional communication with them

2397
01:39:54,290 --> 01:39:52,199
and and we haven't established a

2398
01:39:56,990 --> 01:39:54,300
relationship really or any kind of trust

2399
01:39:59,689 --> 01:39:57,000
with that then can you trust them I

2400
01:40:01,790 --> 01:39:59,699
don't know that you you really can other

2401
01:40:03,290 --> 01:40:01,800
than to say is what they are saying to

2402
01:40:06,229 --> 01:40:03,300
you something that you feel like

2403
01:40:09,169 --> 01:40:06,239
resonates with you in in the context of

2404
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:09,179
your Humanity right is it is it good for

2405
01:40:13,669 --> 01:40:11,280
you as a person is it also good for

2406
01:40:16,669 --> 01:40:13,679
Humanity to understand this like to to

2407
01:40:18,530 --> 01:40:16,679
take this information in and action it

2408
01:40:20,689 --> 01:40:18,540
in some way if the message you're

2409
01:40:23,450 --> 01:40:20,699
getting is you know go do something

2410
01:40:25,310 --> 01:40:23,460
dangerous to yourself and to your fellow

2411
01:40:28,070 --> 01:40:25,320
person I don't think that's a message

2412
01:40:31,370 --> 01:40:28,080
that anyone should listen to that would

2413
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:31,380
be against our our best interest right

2414
01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:35,280
uh those are my initial thoughts

2415
01:40:40,370 --> 01:40:38,400
Meredith my friend I think the most

2416
01:40:42,290 --> 01:40:40,380
important thing for a person to do who's

2417
01:40:45,189 --> 01:40:42,300
received a download is to post it on

2418
01:40:48,050 --> 01:40:45,199
Reddit immediately

2419
01:40:50,870 --> 01:40:48,060
that's a great idea

2420
01:40:53,450 --> 01:40:50,880
you get some positive responses to them

2421
01:40:56,090 --> 01:40:53,460
um no actually I this is way over my

2422
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:56,100
scope of practice

2423
01:41:02,510 --> 01:40:59,760
um I would say I would if I was on a

2424
01:41:05,209 --> 01:41:02,520
committee to make recommendations then I

2425
01:41:08,330 --> 01:41:05,219
would call Dr Bruce Grayson because he

2426
01:41:11,149 --> 01:41:08,340
literally wrote the policy of how to

2427
01:41:13,129 --> 01:41:11,159
quantify and qualify near-death

2428
01:41:17,330 --> 01:41:13,139
experiences it's called the Grayson

2429
01:41:21,470 --> 01:41:17,340
scale it's named after the dude and so

2430
01:41:23,689 --> 01:41:21,480
it's like a peer-reviewed uh process and

2431
01:41:25,930 --> 01:41:23,699
so I think he could take that formula

2432
01:41:30,169 --> 01:41:25,940
and the process of making the process

2433
01:41:32,750 --> 01:41:30,179
and apply it to a person who's had this

2434
01:41:35,209 --> 01:41:32,760
kind of experience

2435
01:41:37,310 --> 01:41:35,219
love them I I love it that's yeah I mean

2436
01:41:38,689 --> 01:41:37,320
it you know you're you're saying that

2437
01:41:40,970 --> 01:41:38,699
you know you don't feel qualified

2438
01:41:45,050 --> 01:41:40,980
necessarily answer but to to kind of get

2439
01:41:47,629 --> 01:41:45,060
yourself educated on you know an nde and

2440
01:41:49,250 --> 01:41:47,639
then how could I apply that to this

2441
01:41:51,169 --> 01:41:49,260
download and then disseminate that

2442
01:41:52,910 --> 01:41:51,179
information responsibly and I think

2443
01:41:54,530 --> 01:41:52,920
that's one of the things that people in

2444
01:41:56,629 --> 01:41:54,540
the community take issue with is when

2445
01:41:59,209 --> 01:41:56,639
they think something's irresponsible

2446
01:42:01,669 --> 01:41:59,219
about information that's disseminated

2447
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:01,679
but they have to understand that when

2448
01:42:05,689 --> 01:42:03,119
that person receives that information

2449
01:42:09,229 --> 01:42:05,699
it's nearly life-changing for them yeah

2450
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:09,239
uh and and I I haven't experienced it so

2451
01:42:13,490 --> 01:42:11,760
I can't beef on somebody that has had it

2452
01:42:15,410 --> 01:42:13,500
and feels like they they have to get

2453
01:42:19,010 --> 01:42:15,420
that information out there because it's

2454
01:42:21,169 --> 01:42:19,020
a service to humanity Debs I have so

2455
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:21,179
many things on this too because there's

2456
01:42:26,209 --> 01:42:23,760
a psychology side to this and then

2457
01:42:28,850 --> 01:42:26,219
there's a historical side to this where

2458
01:42:30,350 --> 01:42:28,860
people talk about Muses and then there's

2459
01:42:32,330 --> 01:42:30,360
you know what's happening with the

2460
01:42:33,470 --> 01:42:32,340
experiencers so this is these are my

2461
01:42:35,510 --> 01:42:33,480
thoughts

2462
01:42:38,450 --> 01:42:35,520
let me try to collect them all so the

2463
01:42:39,890 --> 01:42:38,460
first thing is historically Einstein and

2464
01:42:44,030 --> 01:42:39,900
Thomas Edison

2465
01:42:46,189 --> 01:42:44,040
sort of took advantage of the Theta

2466
01:42:48,290 --> 01:42:46,199
um level like that we experience in the

2467
01:42:51,470 --> 01:42:48,300
brain right and what they did was they

2468
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:51,480
would like almost fall asleep but not

2469
01:42:55,250 --> 01:42:53,280
fully fall asleep and then they would

2470
01:42:57,530 --> 01:42:55,260
get into a creative state they would

2471
01:43:00,109 --> 01:42:57,540
solve problems like in this in between a

2472
01:43:02,270 --> 01:43:00,119
sleep in a weak state so anyone can do

2473
01:43:04,250 --> 01:43:02,280
this and it's the same state you reach

2474
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,260
with meditation and so forth where we

2475
01:43:08,330 --> 01:43:06,239
are solving problems

2476
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:08,340
so

2477
01:43:12,770 --> 01:43:10,320
um the thing that I noticed when I was

2478
01:43:15,530 --> 01:43:12,780
doing research on this is that people in

2479
01:43:18,590 --> 01:43:15,540
DMT States also go through something

2480
01:43:20,209 --> 01:43:18,600
like this but it's very clear that it's

2481
01:43:24,350 --> 01:43:20,219
an introspective thing they're working

2482
01:43:26,510 --> 01:43:24,360
out their own issues right so when I'm

2483
01:43:28,430 --> 01:43:26,520
hearing like what we should do to

2484
01:43:30,530 --> 01:43:28,440
evaluate someone coming forward with

2485
01:43:32,750 --> 01:43:30,540
their experiences the first thing I'm

2486
01:43:34,970 --> 01:43:32,760
going to think is well this is coming

2487
01:43:37,850 --> 01:43:34,980
from you so whether or not it's a

2488
01:43:39,530 --> 01:43:37,860
message from elsewhere it's always going

2489
01:43:42,290 --> 01:43:39,540
to be through the lens of your own

2490
01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:42,300
interpretation if that makes sense it's

2491
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:44,639
in whether or not it's something to be

2492
01:43:51,410 --> 01:43:48,960
trusted or not their issue is are you

2493
01:43:52,850 --> 01:43:51,420
understanding that correctly are you

2494
01:43:55,010 --> 01:43:52,860
understanding of that experience

2495
01:43:57,530 --> 01:43:55,020
correctly are you

2496
01:44:00,649 --> 01:43:57,540
um contaminating it a little with your

2497
01:44:03,109 --> 01:44:00,659
own stuff also you know all of those are

2498
01:44:05,090 --> 01:44:03,119
factors so you know it's sort of like

2499
01:44:06,830 --> 01:44:05,100
they say don't shoot the messenger right

2500
01:44:10,910 --> 01:44:06,840
but sometimes the messenger is the

2501
01:44:14,270 --> 01:44:10,920
problem you know I I I have to say like

2502
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:14,280
with all the encounters that we had

2503
01:44:18,109 --> 01:44:16,560
um with UAP is I wonder sometimes if

2504
01:44:20,090 --> 01:44:18,119
they've been trying to send us a message

2505
01:44:22,490 --> 01:44:20,100
with just their movements or something

2506
01:44:24,830 --> 01:44:22,500
and we're just missing it and like they

2507
01:44:26,330 --> 01:44:24,840
might be like why can't they see us like

2508
01:44:27,709 --> 01:44:26,340
everyone's like oh they're hiding but

2509
01:44:31,370 --> 01:44:27,719
what if they're like right in front of

2510
01:44:33,530 --> 01:44:31,380
us going why can't you see us like we're

2511
01:44:35,270 --> 01:44:33,540
trying to do that he says right them

2512
01:44:36,530 --> 01:44:35,280
just the way they're maneuvering in the

2513
01:44:37,910 --> 01:44:36,540
sky when people see them could be

2514
01:44:40,189 --> 01:44:37,920
communication we just don't know what it

2515
01:44:42,229 --> 01:44:40,199
means right if you remember in Close

2516
01:44:44,530 --> 01:44:42,239
Encounters communication happened with

2517
01:44:47,030 --> 01:44:44,540
music and it happened with the lights

2518
01:44:49,550 --> 01:44:47,040
like everyone thinks you know the

2519
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:49,560
download is the communication but I'm

2520
01:44:53,390 --> 01:44:51,600
I'm really questioning that you know I'm

2521
01:44:55,550 --> 01:44:53,400
really thinking that's going to be

2522
01:44:58,189 --> 01:44:55,560
filtered through our own interpretation

2523
01:45:02,209 --> 01:44:58,199
and that's a problem

2524
01:45:06,350 --> 01:45:02,219
yeah it it it's it's very complex uh and

2525
01:45:09,530 --> 01:45:06,360
there needs to be a lot of sort of self

2526
01:45:11,390 --> 01:45:09,540
uh analysis of you know any biases that

2527
01:45:14,330 --> 01:45:11,400
you might hold and then like what what

2528
01:45:16,550 --> 01:45:14,340
Meredith said maybe you you take in some

2529
01:45:19,250 --> 01:45:16,560
academic work of somebody who maybe has

2530
01:45:21,770 --> 01:45:19,260
you know has a peer-reviewed entire

2531
01:45:25,370 --> 01:45:21,780
paper Journal book you know or something

2532
01:45:27,169 --> 01:45:25,380
on this uh and then before you spread

2533
01:45:29,810 --> 01:45:27,179
that out because you know what you want

2534
01:45:31,070 --> 01:45:29,820
to be true but that may not be you know

2535
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:31,080
the message so

2536
01:45:35,629 --> 01:45:32,880
I'll tell you what man it's been a while

2537
01:45:38,270 --> 01:45:35,639
since we've done in an hour and was this

2538
01:45:40,729 --> 01:45:38,280
an hour and 45 minutes but damn it was

2539
01:45:43,609 --> 01:45:40,739
worth it so miss Meredith Edwards could

2540
01:45:46,070 --> 01:45:43,619
you please tell everybody about all of

2541
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:46,080
your cool stuff that you're doing that

2542
01:45:50,990 --> 01:45:47,840
we could dope up on

2543
01:45:54,410 --> 01:45:51,000
yeah thank you so much this has been fun

2544
01:45:56,930 --> 01:45:54,420
I was looking forward to this and it did

2545
01:45:59,090 --> 01:45:56,940
not disappoint so thank you

2546
01:46:01,250 --> 01:45:59,100
um yeah the best place to find me I'm

2547
01:46:03,950 --> 01:46:01,260
most active on Instagram Meredith for

2548
01:46:07,550 --> 01:46:03,960
real and my podcast is called Meredith

2549
01:46:10,129 --> 01:46:07,560
for real the Curious introvert and

2550
01:46:12,410 --> 01:46:10,139
um there are plenty of uh well not

2551
01:46:13,970 --> 01:46:12,420
plenty there's about eight uh episodes

2552
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:13,980
in there that would definitely be of

2553
01:46:17,689 --> 01:46:15,840
interest to your audience

2554
01:46:20,750 --> 01:46:17,699
um Tim McMillan the co-founder of the

2555
01:46:22,669 --> 01:46:20,760
debrief is episode 95 Dino Walsh basuka

2556
01:46:25,850 --> 01:46:22,679
number 148.

2557
01:46:27,770 --> 01:46:25,860
um Leon Baker was a Mexico Texas border

2558
01:46:31,250 --> 01:46:27,780
patrol agent who had lots of paranormal

2559
01:46:33,470 --> 01:46:31,260
experiences that's episode 155. there's

2560
01:46:37,189 --> 01:46:33,480
really no specific order to listen to

2561
01:46:40,010 --> 01:46:37,199
episodes so you can explore and and you

2562
01:46:42,109 --> 01:46:40,020
know put bring your 80d and have a good

2563
01:46:45,830 --> 01:46:42,119
time coming up we've got lots of

2564
01:46:47,270 --> 01:46:45,840
episodes that are around crazy stories

2565
01:46:49,930 --> 01:46:47,280
that have happened to people a woman who

2566
01:46:52,490 --> 01:46:49,940
survived Serial Killer attack

2567
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:52,500
and then we talk about creating your own

2568
01:46:57,470 --> 01:46:54,800
closure when no physical closure exists

2569
01:47:00,169 --> 01:46:57,480
of adult friendship making and keeping

2570
01:47:03,709 --> 01:47:00,179
friends as a grown-up and

2571
01:47:06,770 --> 01:47:03,719
um and health and wellness so how to you

2572
01:47:09,290 --> 01:47:06,780
know kind of tap into some of those air

2573
01:47:12,050 --> 01:47:09,300
quote biohacks in order to achieve not

2574
01:47:13,970 --> 01:47:12,060
not just good Labs at your you know main

2575
01:47:16,550 --> 01:47:13,980
Physician's doctor's appointment but

2576
01:47:18,229 --> 01:47:16,560
really Vitality so that's that's kind of

2577
01:47:21,050 --> 01:47:18,239
what's going on right now

2578
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:21,060
not to mention that you had that couple

2579
01:47:27,169 --> 01:47:24,000
on that told you how to retire at 30.

2580
01:47:29,629 --> 01:47:27,179
yeah these guys were so cool they were

2581
01:47:31,550 --> 01:47:29,639
so smart they were yeah Nathan if you

2582
01:47:33,410 --> 01:47:31,560
haven't heard that one I don't know the

2583
01:47:36,290 --> 01:47:33,420
number of that episode but it was a

2584
01:47:38,209 --> 01:47:36,300
fascinating episode where basically they

2585
01:47:41,870 --> 01:47:38,219
went through not only that they went to

2586
01:47:43,850 --> 01:47:41,880
Hawaii and lived for a year how long did

2587
01:47:46,850 --> 01:47:43,860
they stay in Hawaii it was six months in

2588
01:47:50,330 --> 01:47:46,860
Hawaii yeah yeah and that's the how much

2589
01:47:51,830 --> 01:47:50,340
a week oh yeah the keys it's Lauren and

2590
01:47:53,450 --> 01:47:51,840
Stephen keys and I don't know the

2591
01:47:54,890 --> 01:47:53,460
episode off the top of my head but if

2592
01:47:57,050 --> 01:47:54,900
you go to my website which is Meredith

2593
01:47:59,570 --> 01:47:57,060
forreal.com you can put in the search

2594
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:59,580
box any topic and then it'll search the

2595
01:48:02,590 --> 01:48:01,199
episodes and so you can bring up the

2596
01:48:05,149 --> 01:48:02,600
ones that are most interesting to you

2597
01:48:07,790 --> 01:48:05,159
you and and just this one in particular

2598
01:48:08,930 --> 01:48:07,800
uh beyond all the great UFO guests that

2599
01:48:11,750 --> 01:48:08,940
she just mentioned you will be

2600
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:11,760
fascinated how they figured out how to

2601
01:48:17,330 --> 01:48:14,159
buy cars and sell cars on the cheap they

2602
01:48:18,649 --> 01:48:17,340
just figured out every possible way and

2603
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:18,659
they said you know every now and again

2604
01:48:22,609 --> 01:48:20,639
they might work but they're basically

2605
01:48:24,350 --> 01:48:22,619
retired at 30 and they know how to do

2606
01:48:25,729 --> 01:48:24,360
this and they're actually they're

2607
01:48:28,850 --> 01:48:25,739
earning money on their money and all

2608
01:48:30,770 --> 01:48:28,860
that stuff right because they saved a

2609
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:30,780
lot when they got married so fascinating

2610
01:48:36,229 --> 01:48:33,840
with those folks uh let's go with uh

2611
01:48:38,930 --> 01:48:36,239
cabbie goodbye starting with Debs please

2612
01:48:41,450 --> 01:48:38,940
well thank you again for coming on this

2613
01:48:44,450 --> 01:48:41,460
National paranormal day and hopefully in

2614
01:48:46,490 --> 01:48:44,460
the future we're just gonna call it you

2615
01:48:48,410 --> 01:48:46,500
know National normal day and like

2616
01:48:49,910 --> 01:48:48,420
everyone will come together and be like

2617
01:48:51,470 --> 01:48:49,920
this is something that's happening to

2618
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:51,480
everybody

2619
01:48:56,689 --> 01:48:54,239
um thank you for sharing your insights

2620
01:48:58,910 --> 01:48:56,699
and I'm really excited um I feel like

2621
01:49:00,709 --> 01:48:58,920
you know you you have a lot of interest

2622
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:00,719
in this and it's exciting to see other

2623
01:49:06,830 --> 01:49:04,320
people with that passion come out and

2624
01:49:08,209 --> 01:49:06,840
talk to us so thank you again

2625
01:49:10,189 --> 01:49:08,219
thank you

2626
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:10,199
yeah I want to say everything will be in

2627
01:49:14,450 --> 01:49:12,480
the show notes that we have on Meredith

2628
01:49:15,950 --> 01:49:14,460
it will it will all be in there so if

2629
01:49:18,109 --> 01:49:15,960
you want to get a hold of her you will

2630
01:49:20,510 --> 01:49:18,119
find it in the show notes or YouTube and

2631
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:20,520
the podcast for this episode let's go to

2632
01:49:25,010 --> 01:49:23,040
my man money Nathan yeah Meredith this

2633
01:49:28,129 --> 01:49:25,020
has been a delight uh it's been

2634
01:49:30,109 --> 01:49:28,139
absolutely fantastic I applaud you for

2635
01:49:32,270 --> 01:49:30,119
the things that you're doing in your

2636
01:49:34,910 --> 01:49:32,280
show uh having that meaningful

2637
01:49:37,189 --> 01:49:34,920
connection with another person even if

2638
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:37,199
the topic is strange and weird I think

2639
01:49:43,550 --> 01:49:39,920
that actually enables something special

2640
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:43,560
uh that that we can go deeper past that

2641
01:49:48,290 --> 01:49:46,080
you know veneer that we all just sort of

2642
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:48,300
traffic around and get to know a person

2643
01:49:51,890 --> 01:49:50,159
who they really are so thank you for

2644
01:49:54,590 --> 01:49:51,900
taking that effort and for promoting

2645
01:49:57,470 --> 01:49:54,600
that just as an activity like that's

2646
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:57,480
fantastic so great work and uh we look

2647
01:50:00,830 --> 01:49:59,040
forward to hearing what's coming down

2648
01:50:02,810 --> 01:50:00,840
the line from you and checking back in

2649
01:50:04,910 --> 01:50:02,820
with you in the future oh we'll be in

2650
01:50:07,729 --> 01:50:04,920
touch for sure awesome

2651
01:50:09,890 --> 01:50:07,739
yeah I'm thinking Meredith that next

2652
01:50:12,410 --> 01:50:09,900
time we since we did so much UFO that

2653
01:50:14,410 --> 01:50:12,420
next time we'll have Matt we could do uh

2654
01:50:17,930 --> 01:50:14,420
some Bigfoot and more paranormal

2655
01:50:19,790 --> 01:50:17,940
ghost-ish kind of stuff he's had both so

2656
01:50:21,530 --> 01:50:19,800
uh yeah hopefully we can do a part two

2657
01:50:24,050 --> 01:50:21,540
that would be so awesome

2658
01:50:26,209 --> 01:50:24,060
um again I'm I'm honored that you would

2659
01:50:28,970 --> 01:50:26,219
come on here you really remind me of

2660
01:50:30,649 --> 01:50:28,980
Kate Casey when I the first time that I

2661
01:50:32,570 --> 01:50:30,659
had Kate Casey on you probably don't

2662
01:50:34,250 --> 01:50:32,580
don't know who she is but you will

2663
01:50:36,410 --> 01:50:34,260
because I'll make sure I send you her

2664
01:50:38,510 --> 01:50:36,420
her podcast

2665
01:50:41,510 --> 01:50:38,520
um she's out in SoCal but she's

2666
01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:41,520
Philadelphia sort of born and raised and

2667
01:50:46,609 --> 01:50:43,440
just like you another great interviewer

2668
01:50:48,590 --> 01:50:46,619
great podcaster that I had on

2669
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:48,600
um on my old show and then and then we

2670
01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:51,119
had her own cab so

2671
01:50:57,649 --> 01:50:53,520
um thank you so much for your time I

2672
01:51:01,070 --> 01:50:57,659
really appreciate it Namaste and uh for

2673
01:51:04,970 --> 01:51:01,080
uh Miss Meredith for Deb's money Nathan

2674
01:51:07,310 --> 01:51:04,980
this is DJ Singh peace out one love

2675
01:51:08,870 --> 01:51:07,320
we'll see you down the road and as

2676
01:51:10,189 --> 01:51:08,880
always we're wondering what's up around

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the bend